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Featured The origins of the modern demonic uprising of Islam....from Greely Colorado

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Iconoclast, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Yea, the truth is often 'provocative'. :)
     
  2. kyredneck

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    ....and didn't say I wouldn't participate, just no desire to initiate the thread. There's only been like a kazillion such on the BB already.
     
  3. HankD

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    Is that why you won't participate in another thread concerning this matter? :)

    HankD
     
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    If he did that in a car he'd be arrested! :Biggrin
     
  5. Iconoclast

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    Sorry JOJ....but it is you who are mistaken. The system revolves around Israel. It makes a distinction between a heavenly people and an earthly people.
    It virtually disregards eph 2...... I will start a thread on it. You can join in or not as you please.
    Unless you teach radically different from Dwight Pentecosts, Things to Come....or Walvoord, or C.I. Scofield.....It remains to be seen how you avoid the obvious implications of what is stated.

    Many of us were first taught this system{dispensationalism} to begin with.
    If you see where we post in error feel free to offer correction by all means.
     
  6. John of Japan

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    I stand by my statement until you can produce quotes to the contrary from the authors you quoted. And I teach Ryrie.

    What is primary in Dispensationalism is neither the church nor Israel, but the glory of God through Jesus Christ.

    "Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."
    (Eph. 3:21)
     
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    ??? To my knowledge none of their speech gagging bills have yet to be passed. But give it time, they only need a couple more seats on SCOTUS to succeed in circumventing our right to free speech.
     
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    Well, yes as does the scripture:

    Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

    HankD
     
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    And you approve of that?
     
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    Yes and many other topics in which we have both participated.

    HankD
     
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    John of Japan said: "If he did that in a car he'd be arrested"

    Depends on whether the officer had probable cause.

    HankD
     
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    ???? I believe if you researched it you'd find the Jews suffered more at the hands of 'Christian' Europeans than at the hands of Muslims. See the curses outlined in Lev 26 & Dt 28.

    "Jewish communities have existed across the Middle East and North Africa since Antiquity. By the time of the Muslim conquests of the 7th century, these ancient communities had been ruled by various empires and included the Babylonian, Persian, Carthaginian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman and Yemenite Jews.

    Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.[1] Though second-class citizens, these non-Muslim groups were nevertheless accorded certain rights and protections as "people of the book". During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands.[2] For instance, Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula were invited to settle in various parts of the Ottoman Empire, where they would often form a prosperous model minority of merchants acting as intermediaries for their Muslim rulers.

    Today, Jews residing in Muslim countries have been reduced to a small fraction of their former sizes, with Iran and Turkey being home to the largest remaining Jewish populations."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

    Why the reduction of Jews in Muslim countries today? (hint: it began in and around 1948)

    While you're at it find out why the massive reduction of Palestinian Christians occurred. (hint: it began in and around 1948)
     
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    And...you totally missed my point. ;)
     
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    Well, if he had the other car's paint on his fender.... :Biggrin
     
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    Which was....
     
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    Look K you know as well as I that if I wanted to I could find blurbs on the other side of the controversy - cut and paste them as a challenge or a justification for their actions (either side) - so I won't.

    Injustices, atrocities, deceit, lies, etc abound on both sides of this "debate".
    There are orphans and widows on either side as well.

    On one thing I believe we do agree upon as you indicated.
    It would indeed be fruitless to extend this to another thread and it would not end well.

    IMO, when it comes to historical truth there is one historical series of events that matters above all else and are unchangeable into eternity - the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Just a parting thought from Geo Orwell related to debating history "He that controls the present controls the past".

    HankD
     
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    K, but one more C&P 'from the horse's mouth' to prove my point:

    "While Jewish communities in Arab and Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe ........ "
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_(gen).html

    Point made in post #33:

    "I believe if you researched it you'd find the Jews suffered more at the hands of 'Christian' Europeans than at the hands of Muslims. See the curses outlined in Lev 26 & Dt 28."
     
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    Here is a statement in which John MacArthur answers some questions;
     
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    Hello Hank
    Romans 8 makes a distinction of saved or lost persons...yes

    I was speaking of some who keep separate saved jews from saved gentiles.
     
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