1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Wayne Grudem Sees the Light, Repudiates Endorsement of Trump

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by InTheLight, Oct 9, 2016.

  1. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Wayne Grudem wrote an article several months ago endorsing Donald Trump that was used by many Christians (including here on BB) to rationalize their support of Trump.

    After the revelations of Trump's sexual predatory practices this weekend he's reversed course and now says he can't and won't vote for him. This took a lot of courage on his part and I applaud his decision. Would to God that more Christians would see the light.


    http://m.townhall.com/columnists/wa...mps-moral-character-and-the-election-n2229846

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. blessedwife318

    blessedwife318 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2014
    Messages:
    2,358
    Likes Received:
    445
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Good on him. I was disappointed when he endorsed Trump but I am pleased to see that he recognizes that mistake and is going against the evangelical trend to call out Trump's sin and call him to repentance

    Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    10,285
    Likes Received:
    163
    Faith:
    Baptist

    Oh come on it was 11 years ago and the man apologized for his foolish remarks.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,981
    Likes Received:
    2,616
    Faith:
    Baptist
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Likes Received:
    80
    I was vocally critical of Dr Grudem and his endorsement. I greatly admire his character and his ability to act in humility and contrition. He sets a godly example that should challenge us all.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    10,285
    Likes Received:
    163
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Then let Hillary get elected then.
     
  7. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    A Republican Party that would not nominate a good candidate is who is letting Ms. Clinton get elected.

    This includes all of the people who gladly voted for Trump, all those who insisted that the Party not have a moral backbone leading up to the convention and simply nominate the frontrunner, and then those who have gladly traded in their integrity to promote a man without self-control, basic political knowledge and competence, and Presidential temperament.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,981
    Likes Received:
    2,616
    Faith:
    Baptist
    (note: title for Clinton was edited IAW L.E.F.T.
    Again, I wonder how many who voted for Trump were not Registered Republicans?
    Primaries should be closed.

    But keep in mind - I do not believe that this country will ever again vote an far right (and I use that term loosely) candidate again. In order for a Republican to win, he will have to be moderate.
     
  9. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Republican Party was under NO obligation to nominate Trump at the convention. They did and now they are paying for it.

    I don't consider that a bad thing. However, I'm not sure that the Republican Party will survive Trump.
     
  10. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I hereby withdraw my positive remarks that I said about Grudem earlier. He has proven to be a coward along with a bunch of others.
     
    #10 Rippon, Oct 10, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2016
  11. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    With Trump the Republicans are running a moderate this year. He will lose. If they ever run a real conservative they might have a shot at winning.
     
  12. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,030
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If that is who the people elected then yes they did.
     
  13. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,981
    Likes Received:
    2,616
    Faith:
    Baptist
    When you say Republican party -

    Are you referring to the leadership
    OR the registered members of the R- Party
    OR those who voted in the R- primary (which includes Non-Republicans)
     
  14. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Republican Party can nominate anyone they want. The convention can change any rules and free delegates to select whomever they desire. Now, it would have severe negative consequences, but that often happens when one takes a stand for what is right.

    The bigger problem is that the Republican Party has not held its members in check over the past eight years and has accepted all kinds of wild, unsubstantiated and hateful speech - as long as it was aimed at the Democratic Party and its members. Judgement has come for that willingness to allow it.

    The Democrats are not much better. Ms. Clinton and her kind run the risk of doing the same to the Democratic Party... if it is not already happening.

    These parties are being destroyed from the inside.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I am referring to the leadership and Party faithful.

    Although I am a fairly consistent Republican voter (have only voted for Republican candidates for President since Reagan), I do not consider myself a member of the Republican Party, or any political party, even though I regularly vote in the primaries.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,030
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That would be unethical and unAmerican. I do not like the candidate but I will not put up with putting in one I do like by means of overruling the voters.

    The Democrats are much worse. They are the standard for evil and lying.
     
  17. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That was was over decade ago, do we not ALL have dirty baggage that someone could expose us with from our past

    Has he repented of that, is he a changed person since that time?

    And what he said back then was bad, but Hillary has actually not just said but DONE things to allowed some to be killed off, and exposed our national security, to me she is still much worse than Trump!
     
  18. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,981
    Likes Received:
    2,616
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Depending on what State/Commowealth you live in - if you are a registered to vote as a Republican - then you are a member of the Republican party.
     
  19. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Then that's what you get then.

    Pointing the finger at someone else goes all the way back to Adam. It's still a cop out.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So would you justify it? Would you excuse it as "locker room talk" or something similar?

    The way he has acted, the other things he has said, and the attitudes he has demonstrated say no - at least to me. He verbally attacks women all the time. The behavior seems consistent.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
Loading...