Isn't this a teaching commonly taught in Word of Faith churches? Is this an acceptable teaching within orthodoxy or is this a heresy?
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Jesus Paid For Our Sins In Hell?
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It's called Heresy and I would avoid it like the plague.
There is no telling what will come out of Sandersons mouth. He was banned from here a long time ago. He's not worth the attention.
The body of Christ is divided as to what happened under the Old Covenant when when people physically died. This preacher is presenting one view. It is not the biblical view.
1) Where did Jesus go on the day He died? Hades or Paradise? (Today you will be with Me in Paradise!)
2) When Christ became the sin offering for mankind on the cross, did God the Father separate from Him spiritually? Jesus asks "why have you abandoned Me?"(Matthew 27:46) But when Jesus died, where was His Spirit commended? To the Father! (Luke 23:46) So the physical death lasted for 3 days (or parts of days) but the spiritual death (separation) lasted a brief time on the cross, and ended when Christ physically died. (Note: God the Son, was, is and always will be God the Son and He remained fully God throughout the ordeal.)
1) Where did Jesus go on the day He died? Hades or Paradise? (Today you will be with Me in Paradise!)
2) When Christ became the sin offering for mankind on the cross, did God the Father separate from Him spiritually? Jesus asks "why have you abandoned Me?"(Matthew 27:46) But when Jesus died, where was His Spirit commended? To the Father! (Luke 23:46) So the physical death lasted for 3 days (or parts of days) but the spiritual death (separation) lasted a brief time on the cross, and ended when Christ physically died. (Note: God the Son, was, is and always will be God the Son and He remained fully God throughout the ordeal.)
Hi Bible Believer, various views are held, concerning "why have you abandoned Me." I reject the "He was merely quoting Psalm 22 and did not mean what He said. Rather, He was quoting Psalm 22 to make a final proclamation He was the Messiah. And His deliverance included the agony of separation, just as scripture had foretold.
To unpack this a tad, Jesus born the sin of the many, and the consequence of sin is separation, so it may be that separation (and its agony) was part of the price of the ransom. Anyway, many see it that way.
To unpack this a tad, Jesus born the sin of the many, and the consequence of sin is separation, so it may be that separation (and its agony) was part of the price of the ransom. Anyway, many see it that way.
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Read the Creed!
"...He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead...."
'Reformed Answers' notes that
"the Creed mentions both that Jesus was buried, and that he descended into hell. To all appearances, these phrases are separate and consecutive items in the historical record."
And concludes that
"Jesus' stay in this part of hell was a necessary part of his work because it subjected his soul to the judicial punishment of true human death."
http://reformedanswers.org/answer.asp/file/40273
"...He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead...."
'Reformed Answers' notes that
"the Creed mentions both that Jesus was buried, and that he descended into hell. To all appearances, these phrases are separate and consecutive items in the historical record."
And concludes that
"Jesus' stay in this part of hell was a necessary part of his work because it subjected his soul to the judicial punishment of true human death."
http://reformedanswers.org/answer.asp/file/40273
Hmmm. Did He say that while alive? And if it was finished when He said that, why did He then die?
Well, the creed isn't the Bible but the term "he descended into hell" is not in the earliest versions of the creed. Additionally, saying that Jesus went to hell isn't supported by the Scriptures at all.
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/did-jesus-spend-saturday-in-hell--2
http://www.waynegrudem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/he-did-not-descend-into-hell_JETS.pdf
He said it because the sacrifice was done. Blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins. He died and rose again to prove that He not only conquered sin but the consequences of sin - death.
Christianity has been divided on this issue for a very long time. Most of Orthodoxy accepts the Apostles Creed which reads "infernos" meaning "hell."
Today, among Evangelicals, those who accept the "two compartment of sheol" theory generally accept it as a second compartment of "hell" or "sheol" as the rich man, in torment, could see Abraham who was, according to the theory, not in Heaven, but in this "second compartment."
There is no incontestable reason to believe one way or another. As the bible is not specific, neither will I be. I have friends who believe both ways, and I won't break fellowship with either one.
It is, in my opinion, a non-issue. It does not affect historic theology one way or another.
Today, among Evangelicals, those who accept the "two compartment of sheol" theory generally accept it as a second compartment of "hell" or "sheol" as the rich man, in torment, could see Abraham who was, according to the theory, not in Heaven, but in this "second compartment."
There is no incontestable reason to believe one way or another. As the bible is not specific, neither will I be. I have friends who believe both ways, and I won't break fellowship with either one.
It is, in my opinion, a non-issue. It does not affect historic theology one way or another.
It's one thing to believe Jesus went to Hades to either preach to the demons or to take the OT saints to heaven. But it's another thing to teach that Jesus paid as in suffering the flames of hell for our sins like Steve Anderson believe.
The Apostles Creed is based on the Old Roman Creed which was a baptism recitation by the candidate for baptism. And it does not include the phrase "He descended into hell."
The first instance of the Apostles Creed as we know it dates to the 8th century.
The phrase ("he descended into hell") probably refers to Ephesians 4:9, "κατέβη εἰς τὰ κατώτερα μέρη τῆς γῆς" ("he descended into the lower, earthly regions"). Some consider that hell, and others consider it the grave.
I consider the whole context. Before Christ ascended to Heaven, he first descended from Heaven, to the lower, IE, Earthly, regions.
Ephesians 4:8-9 presents the case that Jesus descended into "the lower parts of the earth." Many think this is a reference to Hades, including the compartment called "Abraham's bosom." Thus the "captives" He led out of captivity He ascended to heaven with them. Thus all the OT saints are now in heaven, washed with the blood of the lamb.
No. He had to die. That's the reason He entered the world. He didn't die to prove something.
In another place, He said those who believe on Him will never die. Is that true?