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Featured Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Jan 28, 2017.

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    God never forced human kind to sin. God never used compulsion to make humans love Him.

    Because of love, God is patient in His judgment. Because of love, God came to earth to redeem whom He wills. Because of love, God pardons His chosen. Because of love, God adopts rebels out of rebel lands and places them in His Kingdom as His children.

    It's too bad you see such a loving God as being one of force and compulsion.
     
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    Repeating a blatant lie again and again is a form of brainwashing....
     
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    Show us where "accepting salvation" is taught in the Bible. I have been waiting for you to provide a quote.

    As for faith, you call the Bible and God a liar when it/He says that faith is a gift given by God.

    Your pride refuses to accept what God shares with you in His word.
     
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    What translation are you using? No English translation says what you are saying.

    ESV

    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
     
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    I already did...trying reading it....


    No, that's a lie...Grace is a gift received by faith.
     
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    Where am I lying?

    "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

    Notice that the Father gives his chosen to Jesus and then we come. All God.

    "But we ought to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
    To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
    ~ 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

    Why such disdain for God's word?
     
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    I read what you provided. Not one word about "accepting Christ" is provided. Not once. Never in the Bible.

    Why are you not being honest?
     
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    Unfortunately for you, that's not what Ephesians 2:9 says.
    You are changing God's word to fit your will.
     
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    8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – 9 not by works, so that no one can boast."

    The gift of God is "by grace you have been saved". You accept this truth by or through faith. You can't earn it by works.

    If you don't believe that go to verse 4,5

    4...God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions it is by grace you have been saved.



    God's grace, "in Christ", saved you. You receive this truth "through faith"
     
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    I am, but you are being disingenuous. Accepting Christ is the same as receiving Him as your Savior and redeemer by faith.

    "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood – to be received by faith." Rom 3:25

    "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name" John 1:12
     
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    By grace = God's work

    through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God = God's gift of faith

    not by works, so that no one can boast." = you aren't saved by your works, which means you can't boast about choosing God.

    God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ = God made us alive when we were dead in sin. That's God's work, not ours.

    Funny...not once do you read "accept Christ."

    Thanks for sharing God's word.

    I notice you don't even try discuss 2 Thessalonians 2.
     
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    1 Peter 1:1-2
    [1]This letter is from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ.I am writing to God’s chosen people who are living as foreigners in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.
    [2]God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.May God give you more and more grace and peace.
     
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    Titus 1
    [1]This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.
     
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    1 Thessalonians 1
    [4]We know, dear brothers and sisters, that God loves you and has chosen you to be his own people.
     
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    Colossians 1
    [1]This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from our brother Timothy.
     
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    Ephesians 1:1,4-5,11,14
    [1]This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus.I am writing to God’s holy people in Ephesus, who are faithful followers of Christ Jesus.
    [4]Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.
    [5]God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.
    [11]Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan.
    [14]The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.
     
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    While what you say is true in general, the context doesn't state that it's God's work. It states that God saved you by grace. Grace is God's gift, not faith. Faith is receiving God's gift.

    "God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 14 He called you to this salvation through our gospel..."

    He called these believers to salvation through the gospel, as He does all men. He has chosen all men to be saved, but not all will receive Him.
     
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    1 Corinthians 1:1-3
    [1]This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from our brother Sosthenes.
    [2]I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.
    [3]May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
     
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    Romans 9:8-24
    [8]This means that Abraham’s physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. Only the children of the promise are considered to be Abraham’s children.
    [9]For God had promised, “I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
    [10]This son was our ancestor Isaac. When he married Rebekah, she gave birth to twins.
    [11]But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes;
    [12]he calls people, but not according to their good or bad works.) She was told, “Your older son will serve your younger son.”
    [13]In the words of the Scriptures, “I loved Jacob, but I rejected Esau.”
    [14]Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not!
    [15]For God said to Moses, “I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”
    [16]So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.
    [17]For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”
    [18]So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.
    [19]Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?”
    [20]No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?”
    [21]When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into?
    [22]In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction.
    [23]He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory.
    [24]And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
     
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    Bingo
     
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