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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndThisGospel, Feb 24, 2017.

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    1 Thess 4:1 Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; 2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

    3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality

    Keep in mind what Christ said:

    Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery (sexual immorality).’28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    Now, how many can say they never have looked at a woman with lust since becoming a Christian?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not encouraging sin. We should strive to "walk in the Spirit"....

    But, the question is, how many of you are without this sin - the sin of adultery, not physical adultery, but the kind of lust that Christ spoke of in Mat 5:28

     
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    You'd need to speak to a free-will Nazarenes to find the sinless perfection camp.
     
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    The convert Paul stated the following:

    Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I do.

    Calvin asks, "For who has resisted His will"? Rom 9:19

    Therefore, using Calvin's own doctrine, God willed for the converted Paul to sin.

    Wow! This is Calvinism, folks.

    Calvin, what a nut job. I really do not think he thought out his doctrines. If he had I'm sure he would have denounced them.
     
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    I am only taking Calvin's doctrines to their natural conclusions....
     
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    Eph 1:1 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He (God the Father) chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

    The question is, did Christ as God assume only some of our humanity at the incarnation or all of our humanity?

    According to the book of Acts when God made Adam he made "all men" in him.

    "He [God] has made from one man [Adam] every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth..." Acts 17:26

    "...by man [Adam] came death,...For as in Adam all die" 1 Cor 15:21,22

    We all share the same fallen life of Adam. Even Eve came from Adam. Hence, like Eve, we are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. All of humanity share in this life.

    It was our fallen, Adamic life that Christ assumed at the incarnation, not some limited, special group....

     
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    So when Paul used the phrase "in Christ" he was referring to the fact that at the incarnation God the Father united the Divinity of Christ with our shared life from Adam. That shared life was named "the Son of Man".

    So Christ represents, not Calvin's limited-club members, but rather all of humanity.

    • Therefore when He was obedient to God's law "all men" were made obedient too.
    • And when He died the justice that the law demanded, "all men" died too in Him.
    • And when He was resurrected "all men" were gathered up in Him.
    • Christ is, after all, "the last Adam". He is our representative before the Father.
    • In Him we are complete.
     
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    Notice how you springboard away from Ephesians 1 without studying it and instead go to your pet views. ATG, you need to stop looking for your pet view and let the text speak for itself.
    As long as you are intent on being prejudiced you will never be able to rightly devine the word of God. God's word must change our lives, not the other way around. We don't use the Bible to force our presuppositions.
     
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    Or a full Gospel Pentacostalist Baptist!
     
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    Words...mere words. Prove me wrong, don't tell me I'm wrong. That you can't do and so you babble....
     
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    Your missing the point. God's will is that you don't sin. I proved that. If you can't do your own will (which is classical Calvinism) then God's will must be done in your life. Why, then, are you sinning?

    Answer: You have a will of your own
     
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    Your own posts make the point.
     
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    Again, you can't refute me so you babble. Dust off your Bible, man, and use it....Not your selected one liners, ripped out of their context.....

    Unless you use Bible I will no longer chat with you....Better use Bible because babble is no longer accepted by me....Understand? good.
     
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    Free to choose from limited options, God has no limits, all options are available to Him!
     
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    False....God cannot sin.
     
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    ALL options that agree with His nature, just as we only can choose from those that fit our natures!
     
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    ATG, you go to these types of posts everytime you are called out for your pridefulness and inability to let the text speak. You had to add text to Ephesians 1 in order to force it to say what you want it to say.
     
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    Babble
     
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    Okay - that's better.
     
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    You revert to silliness rather than let the text speak for itself. The babble has always been from you.
     
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    Babble...
     
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