Unto Him that Loved us, To Him that Washed us from our Sins

[Bro. James]

No one in their right mind starts off with a faith they entirely disagree with saying everything they do is wrong and trash only to turn around and say but wait hold up the books they claim as holy are so.

You can research those who were like minded like the Donatist. Why not hijack their canon of scripture?

Or better yet produce your own canon. The best you've done is prove the Anglicans are True.

A lazy no name faith just doesn't cut it, they don't have scripture to call their own.

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We do not seem to be on the same page--different planets even. Our basic definitions and paradigms are completely different. The point of this whole diatribe is not what church one belongs to but rather: where we will be in a hundred years?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Adonia]

I would make great Calvinist. I'd be a billionaire easily over brainwashed folks.

You think your God to change anyone's mind here?

If I'm convinced only God can give you the proper perspective of the gospel I wouldn't waste my time whining about it when you get things wrong.

In fact our conversations as a Calvinist would alone be "did God hit your switch yet?".


If he hasn't THERE IS NO ADVICE to be given. Because that presumes a GNOSTIC knowledge based salvation.



Think about how STUPID this statement is:

"Why not convert to being a Baptist and calvinism, as unlike Rome, that is in the Bible?"


Meaning I can BETTER my chances at salvation doing the "GOOD WORK" of following Baptist/Calvinism.


How would that be any different then being a Muslim?


What your telling me is you don't believe its on God at all, I have to be in the right faith with a right understanding.

You are in the right place. The Roman (Latin) Rite is the most biblical with it's interpretation of the Scriptures in the correct manner.

 

[Adonia]

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We do not seem to be on the same page--different planets even. Our basic definitions and paradigms are completely different. The point of this whole diatribe is not what church one belongs to but rather: where we will be in a hundred years?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Wrong, it is important which Church we are in. If you are not getting the correct teaching then you are lost as you progress through this life to get to that 100 year point.

 

[Bro. James]

Wrong, it is important which Church we are in. If you are not getting the correct teaching then you are lost as you progress through this life to get to that 100 year point.

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This is not about making it to a hundred years of age. If we add one hundred to our present ages, we will probably be dead and gone, our bodies pushing up daisies. Where will our spirits be and how will they get there? These are the most important questions we will ever have to answer.

Are we ready? Our next heartbeat may be our last. Extreme Unction probably won't help.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[utilyan]

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We do not seem to be on the same page--different planets even. Our basic definitions and paradigms are completely different. The point of this whole diatribe is not what church one belongs to but rather: where we will be in a hundred years?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Your priorities are wrong. Sounds like a subtle Idolatry of Salvation.

Scripture says worry, Don't worry about tomorrow you got enough evil to worry about to day.


The priority is always kindness, love and compassion. Now if you need God to explain that to you, well then its obvious we need God's grace to get things done concerning you.

His Grace, his spirit, love is what it is.

Not everyone needs a instruction manual to love God. God had some folks at "I" in "I love you"

There is never one time that God started or never has been God the Father.

The only tweaking I want from you is putting love, aka God first in your life, rather then "SALVATION" or "REWARD".

 

[Adonia]

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This is not about making it to a hundred years of age. If we add one hundred to our present ages, we will probably be dead and gone, our bodies pushing up daisies. Where will our spirits be and how will they get there? These are the most important questions we will ever have to answer.

Are we ready? Our next heartbeat may be our last. Extreme Unction probably won't help.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

I did not mean 100 years of age, but exactly what you were taking about.

 

[Yeshua1]

Calvinism denies free will and is thus a false theology, one of many false theologies that derived from the Daddy of all false theologies - the "Reformation".

Oh my, which one should I follow? Should I follow the Lutheran? The Presbyterian? The Anglican? The Baptist? Choices, choices, choices. My, my, what a quandary!

God denies the doctrine of free will Himself, as does the Bible!
God sent the reformation to the Church of Rome, but it preferred to stay in the dark, and teach another Gospel still!

 

[Yeshua1]

I would make great Calvinist. I'd be a billionaire easily over brainwashed folks.

You think your God to change anyone's mind here?

If I'm convinced only God can give you the proper perspective of the gospel I wouldn't waste my time whining about it when you get things wrong.

In fact our conversations as a Calvinist would alone be "did God hit your switch yet?".


If he hasn't THERE IS NO ADVICE to be given. Because that presumes a GNOSTIC knowledge based salvation.



Think about how STUPID this statement is:

"Why not convert to being a Baptist and calvinism, as unlike Rome, that is in the Bible?"


Meaning I can BETTER my chances at salvation doing the "GOOD WORK" of following Baptist/Calvinism.


How would that be any different then being a Muslim?


What your telling me is you don't believe its on God at all, I have to be in the right faith with a right understanding.

God has chosen for Himself a faithful remnant to get saved, just look at Israel in OT!

 

[Yeshua1]

I would make great Calvinist. I'd be a billionaire easily over brainwashed folks.

You think your God to change anyone's mind here?

If I'm convinced only God can give you the proper perspective of the gospel I wouldn't waste my time whining about it when you get things wrong.

In fact our conversations as a Calvinist would alone be "did God hit your switch yet?".


If he hasn't THERE IS NO ADVICE to be given. Because that presumes a GNOSTIC knowledge based salvation.



Think about how STUPID this statement is:

"Why not convert to being a Baptist and calvinism, as unlike Rome, that is in the Bible?"


Meaning I can BETTER my chances at salvation doing the "GOOD WORK" of following Baptist/Calvinism.


How would that be any different then being a Muslim?


What your telling me is you don't believe its on God at all, I have to be in the right faith with a right understanding.

What is the Gospel then, according to how you understand it to be?

 

[utilyan]

What is the Gospel then, according to how you understand it to be?

Jesus Christ is the gospel. Love God and Love neighbor.

The easiest way to say you don't need Jesus Christ for salvation is to say you don't need to love God or Love neighbor.


If you can find ONE difference between JESUS, Loving God and Loving neighbor, it would show me you have a lot to learn about all three.

You cannot mention one with the absence of the other two.


If there is only one instance of Love of God and Neighbor you better be pointing to Jesus Christ.

If you don't have Love of God or neighbor in your heart then Christ is not present there either, GUARANTEED.

 

[Adonia]

God denies the doctrine of free will Himself, as does the Bible!
God sent the reformation to the Church of Rome, but it preferred to stay in the dark, and teach another Gospel still!

Only a small portion of Christianity believes the nonsense that God denies the doctrine of "free will". He is all about liberty, the freedom for the individual to accept or reject His saving grace. One can be the worst sinner in the world, but salvation is still available.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus Christ is the gospel. Love God and Love neighbor.

The easiest way to say you don't need Jesus Christ for salvation is to say you don't need to love God or Love neighbor.


If you can find ONE difference between JESUS, Loving God and Loving neighbor, it would show me you have a lot to learn about all three.

You cannot mention one with the absence of the other two.


If there is only one instance of Love of God and Neighbor you better be pointing to Jesus Christ.

If you don't have Love of God or neighbor in your heart then Christ is not present there either, GUARANTEED.

You Must be born again, and that is when you receive Jesus thru faith, NOT by loving people first!

 

[Yeshua1]

Only a small portion of Christianity believes the nonsense that God denies the doctrine of "free will". He is all about liberty, the freedom for the individual to accept or reject His saving grace. One can be the worst sinner in the world, but salvation is still available.

the Bible teaches that there remains right now since the Fall, no real free will to mankind!

 

[utilyan]

You Must be born again, and that is when you receive Jesus thru faith, NOT by loving people first!

If Jesus or God did not love you how can you be saved?

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.



You just nod your head to whatever hearing folks say God is love.

But the idea that LOVE actually calls the shots is alien to you.

You say to yourself who calls the shots is it GOD OR LOVE?

Its beyond your mind that who calls the shots is GOD AND LOVE!

You give yourself a how many reasons for not allowing that word "AND".

The concept of both and "and" are alien to you guys, Have any Baptist stopped believing in trinity?
I could believe that loss of trinity. They can go down the scripture of explinations to stuff like God or treatment among ourselves but the theological possibility of "both/and" never occurs?

The biggest Calvinist failure is quick to believe that God shares nothing with mankind. A monumental failure. that means your placing a price on God, and don't even high price him well the image of god......ITS REAL CHEAP. It was still worthless in function and cosmetic. Says who?

Where does the bible say that the very true Image of God, just a image mind you, turns out to be the most usless image of all? The Calvinist claims it the image of God is the worst image.

It doesn't do nothing for you and you don't share anything with God.

We live by example of Jesus Christ, from early age he sought God, I didn't see a FAITH ALONE guy just bent over and waiting for some spiritual update.

 

[Yeshua1]

If Jesus or God did not love you how can you be saved?

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.



You just nod your head to whatever hearing folks say God is love.

But the idea that LOVE actually calls the shots is alien to you.

You say to yourself who calls the shots is it GOD OR LOVE?

Its beyond your mind that who calls the shots is GOD AND LOVE!

You give yourself a how many reasons for not allowing that word "AND".

The concept of both and "and" are alien to you guys, Have any Baptist stopped believing in trinity?
I could believe that loss of trinity. They can go down the scripture of explinations to stuff like God or treatment among ourselves but the theological possibility of "both/and" never occurs?

The biggest Calvinist failure is quick to believe that God shares nothing with mankind. A monumental failure. that means your placing a price on God, and don't even high price him well the image of god......ITS REAL CHEAP. It was still worthless in function and cosmetic. Says who?

Where does the bible say that the very true Image of God, just a image mind you, turns out to be the most usless image of all? The Calvinist claims it the image of God is the worst image.

It doesn't do nothing for you and you don't share anything with God.

We live by example of Jesus Christ, from early age he sought God, I didn't see a FAITH ALONE guy just bent over and waiting for some spiritual update.

Love did not die for sinners, Jesus did, and the love of God did NOT save anyone, as that was due to His grace!

 

[Adonia]

the Bible teaches that there remains right now since the Fall, no real free will to mankind!

It teaches no such thing! How you can come up with this kind of stuff is beyond me.

See what happens when you start deviating from Christian orthodoxy? You not only do that, but then you deviate from what the first "reformers" initially came up with. Oh my!

 

[utilyan]

Love did not die for sinners, Jesus did, and the love of God did NOT save anyone, as that was due to His grace!

Well please show me what love and love of God is.

In my dictionary both show picture of Jesus Christ.

See I'm forcing you to challenge me that you seek the ultimate definition of Love of God.

I say the ultimate definition of love of God is Jesus Christ. By all means share with us what defines love of God better then Jesus Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

It teaches no such thing! How you can come up with this kind of stuff is beyond me.

See what happens when you start deviating from Christian orthodoxy? You not only do that, but then you deviate from what the first "reformers" initially came up with. Oh my!

We are all dead in our sins before rebirth , and as such, due to sinful/fallen natures, no longer to have real free will, as free to do what we want, but now limited as to available options to select from to do!

 

[utilyan]

We are all dead in our sins before rebirth , and as such, due to sinful/fallen natures, no longer to have real free will, as free to do what we want, but now limited as to available options to select from to do!

"no longer to have real free will"

When Adam and Eve fell God gives a list of consequences none of the consequences would be worst then having no capacity to do good.

Show us where God says we lose free will.

This penalty is MADE UP TRADITION OF MAN. Simply provide the scripture that says otherwise.

You made up a lot of stuff and provide absolutely NO SCRIPTURE to back your claim. NONE. ZERO SCRIPTURE. 100% UNBIBLICAL.

 

[Yeshua1]

"no longer to have real free will"

When Adam and Eve fell God gives a list of consequences none of the consequences would be worst then having no capacity to do good.

Show us where God says we lose free will.

This penalty is MADE UP TRADITION OF MAN. Simply provide the scripture that says otherwise.

You made up a lot of stuff and provide absolutely NO SCRIPTURE to back your claim. NONE. ZERO SCRIPTURE. 100% UNBIBLICAL.

The sin nature cannot submit to God, nor please Him, nor know the truths of scripture, so limited freedom!