Featured 2 Peter 2:1 shows Jesus died for the non-elect

Well, that causes some manor issues with your post #17.

How do the lost reject the payment paid from the God-man to God? As you stated...man is not involved in the transaction.




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Don't forget 18 and 19 as you read.
John 3:16-19
[16]“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
[17]God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.
[18]“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.
[19]And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.

Clearly the whole world will not be saved as you wish to imply from verse 17 because verses 18 and 19 clarify this and share that there is indeed judgment.

So, when Jesus came it was not in the role of judge. Instead he came as Messiah and Redeemer. However, judgment is coming with certainty as we see in the verses you conveniently neglect to mention.

 

Accusations...hmmm...where do we read about accusers of the saints...

 

So God can't fulfill his will because man's will is more powerful than God's will?

 

Of course He did.

Who was Paul writing to in the letter to the Romans? Was it to the redeemed or to the pagans in Rome? Since Paul says "our" does he call himself a pagan or is the word "our" referring to the redeemed?

 

It says "denying the master who bought them cheeseburgers".



These Calvinist are the extremists. If they were consistent they would all be westboro Baptists.


Look John Calvin himself says:

Even denying the Lord that bought them. Though Christ may be denied in various ways, yet Peter, as I think, refers here to what is expressed by Jude, that is, when the grace of God is turned into lasciviousness; for Christ redeemed us, that he might have a people separated from all the pollutions of the world, and devoted to holiness and innocency. They, then, who throw off the bridle, and give themselves up to all kinds of licentiousness, are not unjustly said to deny Christ by whom they have been redeemed. Hence, that the doctrine of the gospel may remain whole and complete among us, let this be fixed in our minds, that we have been redeemed by Christ, that he may be the Lord of our life and of our death, and that our main object ought to be, to live to him and to die to him. He then says, that their swift destruction was at hand, lest others should be ensnared by them. [164]




Nothing about "atonement" my foot!

Was it poor exegesis on Calvin's to confirm the op's take on scripture?

Calvin calls the false teacher REDEEMED.


Leave it up to our extremist buddies here who get everything you say backwards, get Calvin backwards and get the bible backwards.

They are not even TOGETHER. They are all independent. and WRONG.


When a Calvinist tells you John Calvin is wrong............ They don't realize that makes no sense.


And somehow everyone was a poor reader for more the 1500 years, oh PLUS because Calvin agrees with us here.

I wish you guys who finally have the infallible meanings of the scripture were brave enough to pick out your canon of scripture.


How about show us prior to 1500s of anyone understanding that scripture in that deformed way. Your so wrong even Calvin is not with you here.

 

JB: 'WORLD'' beyond the Jews. I.e... Not the Jews only... As prophesied in OT and Spoken by Paul, Peter etc.

 

A Baptist without election.. now that is a novel I idea. O, Spurgeon took no stand. Another novel idea. Election may really be about hearing and responding, whoops! That was Wesley? Theology get really convoluted, does it not.

 

Does that translate to save and non-saved?

 

ICHTHUS.... I agree with you.

Several years ago a very large Bible book store in our city was closing, so I took my last opportunity to ask its very Calvinist Bible salesman about 2 Peter 2:1. Suffice it to say that he was livid. Just livid. He knew exactly what God was saying and I was implying. Needless to say, I walked out of that store for the last time very satisfied indeed. And shame on him for doubting the justice of God.

 

Jesus offer was to His father, as the propiation in His blood, and the Father accepted that offer, as shown by the resurrection. Again, God cannot have intended to have the death of jesus atone and save all sinners, else all would be saved!

 

They reject the invitation of repentance.

Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent.

HankD

 

Jesus died for the sins of the entire world, but the father only intended that His death would benefit those whom he foreknew and drawn to jesus, the elect in Christ!