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  1. TCassidy

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    How can they both be faithful if they are different? "Things that are different are not the same."
     
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    Neither one is 100% of the original Greeky text as penned down by the Apostles, but both are close enough to be essentially the word of Go to us, and either can be used to study/preach/translate off from!
     
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    How do you know that?
     
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    God did not perserve the original texts for us to copy off of, did not preserve sufficient textual evidence to recreate an infallible version of them!
     
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    How do you know, among the 5000+ Greek manuscripts, one of the Codices is not 100% in agreement with the autographs? How do you know?

    The question is NOT "what do you (think) you know." The question is "HOW do you know?"
     
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    This is a very dangerous path to go down, as it opens the door for questioning the Authority and Infallibility of the Holy Bible. We have to believe that the Lord did indeed preserve His Word to us, and that any "errors" that are there, are due to "human error", as in when they are copied. Otherwise we have the eternal problem in trying to ascertain which is the Word of God, and which is not. We could also then call into question such Foundation Doctrines like the Holy Trinity, Deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, eternal life, the need to repent and be born again, hell, etc, etc. You are playing with fire with your language, my friend.
     
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    IF God had wanted to have us receive the 100 & accurate greek text to originals, he would have left us them!
    And why would we need to have the exact copy of the originals, are not either greek text sufficient to them for us to be confident to use them?
     
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    T am saying that the mistakes in the Greek texts that we have are due to copying mistakes, scribal errors, problems with OT numbers, but NOT the original books themselves, as those were inerrant in all they described!
     
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    How do you know that?

    How do you know that?
     
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    Do we need to have that in order to have an infallible Bible?
     
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    How do you know we have an infallible bible? And how do you know what we need to have such a bible?
     
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    Jesus stated that the word of God is precise to even joy and title, and lasts forever...

    And the Spirit inspited the authors to record down exactly to the very word as God intended them, for did not Paul say seed, and not seeds when speaking of Abraham?
     
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    Are you saying that the Bible is not infallible? If so, then we are wasting our time with it and the whole of Christianity. There is no more certainty about God, or Jesus, or the Virgin Birth, or Salvation, or the Second Coming, or whether hell is a real place, or that all true believers will got to heaven and be with the Lord? All of this could be one huge hoax!
     
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    The hebrew/Greek Texts that we use for the English translations do not need to be exact copies of the originals, wouldl they?
    For the statement on Inerrnacy 1979 does not demand that!
     
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    The statement you refer to is man made, and therefore not perfect. What I am saying is this. Once anyone starts to question the absolute Authority of the Holy Bible, as in Its Infallibility and Inerrancy, then this will be the beginning of doubts been sown by the enemy of the Faith of the Holy Bible, and you will then ask, "has God said?" As did the devil to Eve. We HAVE to FULLY believe in what we have is THE WORD OF GOD, or else it is nothing more than a human production that contains the Word of God. And then we have the added problem in determining what is and what is not Inspired. This is the same for the Canon of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible. If we do not have an unshakable faith in this, we are open to delusion and the devil will indeed lead us astray. We will then begin to question the books that were not included in the Holy Bible, that maybe they should. This, my friend is the work of the devil, to sow doubts.
     
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    You are not saying though that we need to have the Kjv in order to have that infallible witness to us, are you?
     
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    The question was "How do you know we have an infallible bible?"
     
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    How do you KNOW that?

    How do you KNOW that?
     
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    FAITH which is CENTRAL to Christianity. "Without Faith it is impossible to please God". If we do not have an unshakable faith in the Word of God that we now possess, then even our belief about God Himself become questionable. How do we know what the Bible says about God is even true?
     
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