We shall be as he now is, a risen gloroified form at time of His second coming!
Paul states that we shall all be changed at that time, as did John, why deny it?
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One Must Hold to the Physical bodily resurrection to be saved?
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Paul states that we shall all be changed at that time, as did John, why deny it?
Is the answer yes?
Lol, if I answered it'd go in one ear and right out the other and you'd ask it again over and over and over....
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I will just assume that a full pretierist sees second coming already happened them, so believes in heresy!
I'm not a full preterist but I know the coming of the Son of man occured before that generation passed away just as He said it would.
He came a that time in His first Coming, but he has yet to have the Second Coming, as there was NO resurrection of the saints in Christ yet in history!
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
I am not denying that we will be like Christ. Do you even know what I believe?
Will that be at the time of His Second Coming, and will we have a physical resurrection, in that these bodies will changed to be as his now is?
As I read the scriptures, the Second Coming is seven years ater He stands in/on the cloud and calls the living and the dead Saints up to him. (Matt 24:30,31 & Acts 1:9-11) When He sets foot on the Mount of Olives, walks down to the Eastern Gate, and walks through that gate the Arabs have walled closed, then He will rule for a thousand years with an Iron Rod.
"We shall be like Him" is a Biblical verse.
"We will have a physical resurrection" is not.
Christ prayed to the Father, John 17, to have again the glory He had had earlier with the Father. That glory did not require a physical body. Nothing in Scripture requires Christ to have a physical body. It was a necessity in the Incarnation, and for the Resurrection. It is not now.
First the natural, then the spiritual. The first Adam is replaced by the Second. (1 Cor. 15). From the Adamic through the Jewish Dispensation all were part of, and were limited by, the physical. The Incarnation, ministry and sufferings and death of Christ were all necessarily physical. He was walking in Adam's footsteps, so to speak, but obeying where Adam disobeyed. Thus He undid the curse of Adam's sin upon us. The physical resurrection was part of this same mission of saving us.
But, starting with the Ascension, there was no need at all for Christ to have a physical body. Why should He?
Christ, being one with the Tri-unity, had from eternity past absolute perfection. How can adding a physical body improve that?
How can perfection be even more perfected?
We shall be like Him.
Not, "He shall be like us - forever".
That is great advice. But it requires a thorough grounding in the Bible.
That can be good advise but better is to demand the scripture address and to be Berian-like, as Paul instructs.
asterisktom, do you believe there will be any eternal restoration (and improvement) on what was lost in the Fall as far as sin and death on the earth?
Rom 8
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. note
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. note
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Thank you for asking a specific question based on the Bible and not just a generalization.
First of all, I don't think this is physical creation that is being spoken of, but of people. Yes, many times ktisis is used of the physical world but it is also often used of people, and of the spiritual realm:
Mark 16:15; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."
And Col. 1:23, which states in part:
"...the gospel ... which was preached [past tense!] to every creature which is under heaven ..."
All of this is to say that the improvement and restoration is not at all concerning physical death on this Earth, but new life in Christ. And glorification when we, Christians, go to be with the Lord.
Those who are in Christ "have passed from death unto life" already, John 5:24; 1 John 3:14; 5:24.
The groaning and pain that you cited above, AresMan, is the same that we find in Revelation, of the woman in childbirth. Specifically it is about the Church being born from among Jewish believers.
This Romans 8 passage the whole idea of pain in childbirth had earlier been found in places like Isa. 26:16-18. where Israel fails to give birth out of their own righteousness.
Birth, life, and death are all spiritually intended here in these passages.
The Jewish aspect of Romans 8:22ff is often overlooked, but it helps to remember that this passage leads up to the more obvious Jewish-themed Rom. 9-11.
Jesus right now has the same physical body that he died in, as THAT body was raised up, and he still has those nail prints!
The New heavens and Earth has not happened yet though, neither has the New Jerusalem come unto earth, correct?
kyredneck, do you still believe in a future bodily resurrection of the saints, just not at the "second coming"?
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