Featured John Bunyan on the Sovereign Choice of God

Yet all men are not drawn, are they? Many remain stubbornly apathetic or hostile. You have to qualify the "all" somehow, so you will make it mean "all who believe." That is true, except that men are drawn first and believe afterwards as God opens their hearts (Acts 16:14).

I believe that the "all" in John 6:44 means "all manner of people"- male and female, rich and poor, slave and free, Jew and Gentile and so forth (cf. Galatians 3:28). Take a verse like Philippians 4:13. 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.' What does the "all" mean there? Does it mean every single thing in the world? Can Paul do brain surgery or walk on the ceiling? Of course not! It means that through Christ, Paul can do all manner of things: specifically, to be abased and to abound; to be full and to be hungry; to abound and to suffer need (v.12); in fact, all the things God requires him to do..

 

Calvinists just took what the scriptures stated concerning Sotierology, and did not try to see free will in there as a requirement in order to allow God to save us!

 

Do you hold to Calvinism as regards to Sotierology, but more Baptist as regarding other things, such as Eschatology?

 

I do not believe that if one simply read the Bible with *zero* presuppositions that calvinism would be what they concluded is true. Calvinism has to be taught.

 

This "how can a dead man hear" thought is unbiblical...How can a dead man sin? See how illogical that is?

 

Well of course its poor. So lay out its proper interpretation as you see fit.

Saying "hey your stupid" Doesn't quite point out the flaws of your content.

I bet you never understood 1 John without "help"

Because there is no way anyone reading it for the first time would think it mean anything else other then what it states plainly.


1 john 5
10Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The testimony is God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his son

So do you believe God has given ME eternal life?

If you say yes, great. If you say no or you don't know, then you make God a liar because you don't believe the testimony God has given about his son.


But if you say well the test here doesn't involve another person's stance just my personal status then "God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." applies to everyone.



This is why a LIAR is a LIAR.

Because if he rejects the notion that God has given him eternal life, and eternal life was never offered to him, then he would be telling the TRUTH.

 

First of all, you were "Raised up" in church, therefore you still had presuppositions. Secondly, concerning your experience of God's amazing grace, i have/still do experience all that you speak of without adopting your view of Sotierology therefore experience cannot justify theological accuracy. And just because Luther experienced a "setting free from false teaching" does not mean he promoted the best practices/doctrinal stances himself.

Lastly, which part of my comment was "entirely false"? The section where i said, "I do not believe...." are you saying i'm lying to myself? not sure what you mean there brother...

 

That is your presupposition because of what you have been taught. Have you read Spurgeon's account of how he became a Calvinist? I'm sure I can dig it out for you.

Ephesians 2:1, 4-5. 'And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins.............But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (By grace you have been saved).'

 

So wewould seem to be like minded , as I hold to similar viewpoints!

 

Think that a big reason why some revolt against Calvinism would be that its theolgy really centers salvation as being God centered, and even us saved folks have a part of stubborn pride in us that wants to claim some of the credit!

 

My goodness, you are something else. Jesus draws all men to himself does not mean they will respond. God also says that His will is that all men come to repentance. But it's up to them to respond. God's Will is that all men obey but that isnt the case is it? God gave us a free will and He offers each person the opportunity to accept Him or reject Him. That is final based on the scripture I started with. John 3:16.

 

Again, how can the fallen sin nature that is at war with God freely decide to surrender?

 

If it is the Will of God that none perish, than something has overpowered Him!

 

Right...so if a dead man cannot "hear" how can a dead man sin? You're own premise is illogical, that is what i'm pointing out.