Are Christians in Trouble Spiritually?

[Yeshua1]

Very good and I agree with your statements. Now the question to you is on how much you believe in Him.

Do you show it by your faith and obedience by including these:

The 7th day sabbath (Honoring the Creator)
Abstaining from unclean foods (Keeping our temples clean)
Forsaking idolatry (xmas, easter)

NONE of those were manditory under the new Covenant of God, as those were to be based upon preference/conviction!

 

[Charles Blair]

You don't see in the passage that is it people who say they are doing these works "In His Name"? That is a believer who does things for Him, yet disobeys His Words.

The key here is the words of Jesus: "I never knew you." Knowing Christ is salvation; thus as the sister said, we are dealing with lost people who believe in "salvation by obedience."

 

[Yeshua1]

Amen, as there are the ones who Jesus never knew in a sense of being their Lord and friend!

 

[CertainSound]

As long as there is a devil on the loose...weeez in trouble! Not as much trouble as those that have not been born again. Stick close to the shepherd for less trouble.

Try not to over theologize my post or you will vacuum all the common sense out of it.

 

[Jason1]

The key here is the words of Jesus: "I never knew you." Knowing Christ is salvation; thus as the sister said, we are dealing with lost people who believe in "salvation by obedience."

No. Knowing him is being in a covenant relationship based on obedience to his commands. Hereby we know that we know him if we keep his commandments.

 

[Jason1]

NONE of those were manditory under the new Covenant of God, as those were to be based upon preference/conviction!

That is a complete farce. Commands are obligatory, not cherry picked to fit your fleshly desires.

 

[Eyes on Jesus]

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’
Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,

In this passage we see "believers" coming to the Master and he casts them away because they are breaking the law. Many will say, "I'm in Christ's law" and they will disregard the Father's law found in the torah. They believe that Jesus did away with His Father's words and brought a new law of love.

Is this true?

Joh 8:38 “I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”
Joh 12:48 “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day.​

His Father's words are what He spoke and that word is what we will be judged by (torah). Here are some strong admonitions:

Joh 8:43 “Why do you not know what I say? Because you are unable to hear My Word.
Joh 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
Joh 8:55 “And you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be like you, a liar. But I do know Him and I guard His Word.
Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rom_2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.​

Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

We are too idle today in our growth and in our walk, how many of us remember we are in a race, and remember we are all running the same race, we forget we need to encourage one another in the most Holy faith, ever consider how sly the devil can be, are the treasures of the world building up more in our closets, or is the treasure of wisdom being bought up more with the devotion of spending more time in the word, and in prayer. Remember that saying revival is God's finger pointed at you, its a good one to remember it helps for us to examine ourselves to see whether we be in the faith, good book to read is Seeking the Face of God by Martin Lloyd Jones

 

[Jason1]

And here is the revival message:

Deu_5:29 ‘Oh, that they had such a heart in them, to fear Me and to guard all My commands always, so that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

 

[KLD]

Do you eat shellfish?
Do you wear cotton and polyester shirts?
Do you believe that 'attempting' to keep God's commands is sufficient?
Does your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees? If so, how?

Just wondering.

Are attempting to bind the Old Law to the present day? I suggest you read Galatians 5.

 

[KLD]

Only those who are in Christ are Christians. Self identification is not a guarantee of being in Christ.

How does one get "into Christ"?

 

[Christine Baker]

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’
Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,

In this passage we see "believers" coming to the Master and he casts them away because they are breaking the law. Many will say, "I'm in Christ's law" and they will disregard the Father's law found in the torah. They believe that Jesus did away with His Father's words and brought a new law of love.

Is this true?

Joh 8:38 “I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”
Joh 12:48 “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day.​

His Father's words are what He spoke and that word is what we will be judged by (torah). Here are some strong admonitions:

Joh 8:43 “Why do you not know what I say? Because you are unable to hear My Word.
Joh 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
Joh 8:55 “And you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be like you, a liar. But I do know Him and I guard His Word.
Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rom_2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.​

Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Hi Jason,

I just wanted to say that I demonstrate my love for God by rejoicing in what Jesus did (and does) for me - and by not putting any confidence in the flesh.

I demonstrate my obedience to Him by believing on Him Whom He has sent - by not being made afraid by those who would twist the word in order to re-establish the yoke of the law...

I stood at my kitchen sink once, thinking about the wonderful things God does for me and, retrospectively, what I do for God. With a heavy sigh I looked upwards and said, "I'm sorry I'm not a very good Christian, Lord..." Immediately I heard Him answer, "Well, who is!?" It was so liberating to receive that kind of confirmation from God. I instantly felt 10' tall! I felt my heart would burst for the love of God!

The one's Jesus doesn't know, are those who proudly seek to be justified in the flesh by keeping parts of the written law.They think that Jesus will make up for where they lacked, instead of trusting in His death and resurrection alone. Basically, they have not believed on Jesus and have trampled upon as unclean (insufficient) the precious blood of the Lamb.

I rest in Him, fully trusting that He Himself will establish me and guide me and ultimately save me. All to the glory of Jesus Who loved me and died for me. I'm going home resting on the promise of God.

Sounds to me like you're climbing up some other way...

 

[MennoSota]

How does one get "into Christ"?

By God's grace. You cannot enter on your own power (lest any man should boast). God must make you alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:4-9).

 

[MennoSota]

And here is the revival message:

Deu_5:29 ‘Oh, that they had such a heart in them, to fear Me and to guard all My commands always, so that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

Ezekiel 36:26
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

God is great. He has done this through the atoning work of Yeshua, YHWH himself.

 

[Jason1]

Hi Jason,

I just wanted to say that I demonstrate my love for God by rejoicing in what Jesus did (and does) for me - and by not putting any confidence in the flesh.

I demonstrate my obedience to Him by believing on Him Whom He has sent - by not being made afraid by those who would twist the word in order to re-establish the yoke of the law...

I stood at my kitchen sink once, thinking about the wonderful things God does for me and, retrospectively, what I do for God. With a heavy sigh I looked upwards and said, "I'm sorry I'm not a very good Christian, Lord..." Immediately I heard Him answer, "Well, who is!?" It was so liberating to receive that kind of confirmation from God. I instantly felt 10' tall! I felt my heart would burst for the love of God!

The one's Jesus doesn't know, are those who proudly seek to be justified in the flesh by keeping parts of the written law.They think that Jesus will make up for where they lacked, instead of trusting in His death and resurrection alone. Basically, they have not believed on Jesus and have trampled upon as unclean (insufficient) the precious blood of the Lamb.

I rest in Him, fully trusting that He Himself will establish me and guide me and ultimately save me. All to the glory of Jesus Who loved me and died for me. I'm going home resting on the promise of God.

Sounds to me like you're climbing up some other way...

So you rejoice in sin now? Remember sin is breaking the torah (1 john 3:4)

Your obedience is only by belief? That means you can murder, worship idols, steal, and break the sabbath now? Wrong christ you're following if so.

Yoke of law = obedience to YHVH (notice how many new testament letters start by calling themselves "servants")
Yoke of oral law = obedience to man (what galations was against)

Walking in newness of life is having our debts erased (past sins) and walking with new obedience in spirit and in truth (same laws, better mediator).

 

[Jason1]

Ezekiel 36:26
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

God is great. He has done this through the atoning work of Yeshua, YHWH himself.

Apparently He missed writing those laws on you because you despise them (hard heart).

Pro_4:2 For I gave you good instruction: Do not forsake my Torah.
Pro_7:2 Guard my commands and live, And my Torah as the apple of your eye.
Hos_8:12 “I have written for him numerous matters of My Torah – they were regarded as strange.

 

[MennoSota]

Apparently He missed writing those laws on you because you despise them (hard heart).

Pro_4:2 For I gave you good instruction: Do not forsake my Torah.
Pro_7:2 Guard my commands and live, And my Torah as the apple of your eye.
Hos_8:12 “I have written for him numerous matters of My Torah – they were regarded as strange.

LOL, your accusations are from hell. Be gone Satan.

 

[Jason1]

LOL, your accusations are from hell. Be gone Satan.

Actually Sir, they are from YHVH:

Lev_19:17 ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbour, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.
Pro_3:11 My son, do not despise the discipline of יהוה, And do not loathe His reproof;

Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.

 

[MennoSota]

Actually Sir, they are from YHVH:

Lev_19:17 ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbour, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.
Pro_3:11 My son, do not despise the discipline of יהוה, And do not loathe His reproof;

Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.

No, they are twisted perversions from the cult you are in. It's 100% demonic the way you are perverting God's word. That kind of perversion is from hell. I pray that one day God releases you from your chains. At present you are a blind man who doesn't know the Light.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I'm sorry, but your whole post is full of misunderstandings.

You have not shown it to be so because you have not answered any of the points I made.

1. Jesus wouldn't contradict written law or he would be a sinner (1 john 3:4)

I showed you three places in the NT where the dietary laws are shown to be discontinued. Just to remind you, they are Mark 7:18; Acts 10:13-15 (repeated in Acts 11), and Romans 14:14. 1 John 3:4 is irrelevant. You need to deal with those texts. What do they mean?

2. You didn't look up the words in regards to what is not to be mixed.

I think you'll find I did.

3. You misunderstand what is spoken of in those NT passages of oral law and how nobody can be justified by it. The just and the righteous live by written law. (deu 6:25, rom 2:13)

Philippians 3:5. 'Concerning the law, a Pharisee......concerning the righteousness that is in the law, blameless.' Where is there any suggestion that Paul was talking about oral law? There is none. So I ask you again; is your righteousness greater than being blameless in the righteousness that is in the law? Otherwise you will by no means enter the kingdom of God (Matthew 5:20).

 

[Forgiven0777]

Do you eat shellfish?
Do you wear cotton and polyester shirts?
Do you believe that 'attempting' to keep God's commands is sufficient?
Does your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees? If so, how?

Just wondering.

I don't eat fish that does not have scales and fins ..on clothing ? Well I do not believe in religious restrictions I do however believe in Christian convictions. The New Testament did away with OT religious restrictions like sacrificing animals for sin and other however When it comes to clean and non clean animals ,fowl, fish that was not nailed to the Tree. The law of ordinance was nailed the tree but the Ten Commandments and the eating of what is clean and unclean was not. Fish ,foul and animals that were unclean still are because they can cause parasite in your stomach . When reading " What God has cleansed is cleansed " was referring to Gentiles ..the Jewish people believe that Gentiles were UNCLEAN like unclean animals. In fact Gentiles were not allowed to go into the holy place ..not even were Jews allowed behind the holy of holies only Priest were but Yeshua gave all born again access to the Throne of God when we pray in spirit.. Christ Yeshua split the veil , Yeshua broke down the dividing wall of separation of Jews and Gentiles bringing them both together... that is all who are born again they are of the seed of Abraham as God promised Abraham ...all that are born again of Christ Yeshua are Jew ( GAL. 3:29 )