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Are Christians in Trouble Spiritually?

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Christine Baker

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Put your own name in the addressee position. Because Paul says so, Whatever one accuses another of, he is himself guilty of...

O the holiness of the antinomians! And they claim they are Christians. That's the most difficult part to understand.

Yes, I suppose that not having the Spirit of Christ would make it difficult for you to understand!lol
 

Jason1

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Jason,

John 16:9 reads, "Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me." These are Jesus' words regarding the Holy Spirit - "He will convict the world concerning sin, and righteousness, and judgement..." (v.8)

Concerning your statement about walking in newness of life, you are again twisting the scripture. What, may I ask, is 'good news' about having to keep laws? "Hey, everybody! Listen to this good news! Jesus died to put you under a yoke of rules and ordinances! Come and strive to be found worthy!" lol. Don't be daft. Christ died in order to take away the sin of the world.

'It was for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free. Stand firm therefore and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.' (Gal 5:1)

'This I want to hear from you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing with faith?' (Gal 3:2)

'Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?' (Gal 3:3)

'Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.' (Gal 5:4)

'I do not frustrate the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ died in vain.' (Gal 2:21)

The law demonstrates that we cannot fulfil it, hence the scripture locks everyone up under sin, that those who believe on the promise by faith in Christ, will be saved, not those who (call God a liar in their feeble) attempt to uphold the law.

Jason, do you not realise that you are currently one of the wicked, simply because you attempt to keep the law? You are one of those who call God a liar regarding the salvation of Christ and His fulfilment of the law. You say (technically) "I will prove myself worthy by keeping some of the commandments as cherry picked by me and my understanding of the gospel." You are not in agreement with God that all have sinned and fall short of His glory. You seek to establish a righteousness of your own, instead of relying 100% on the finished work of Christ.

To reiterate, I rejoice in Christ, not in sin. I rejoice with exceeding great joy! I gladly bow the knee to Jesus, because He has saved me. I KNOW this by the Holy Spirit Whom He has given me as a pledge of my inheritance. It's the baptism of fire that comes from God and not from man. Have you met God? Has He imparted His Spirit to you? If you have not the Spirit of Christ, you are not His. Simple, really.

Just one more testimony concerning the grace of God...

I sat by my window once, thinking over the day and the conversations I'd had with my friends when suddenly I heard God speak. He said, "I wish you'd speak to Me the way you speak to your friends." I was amazed! I answered, "What!? You mean you want me to drop the reverential bit!?" So I speak ordinarily now. No bowing my head. No feigned 'holiness'. Just plain ol' me as I am. And not only this but I barge in with boldness!lol. Bet you don't do that?lol

I'm sorry, but this is just a mess. You call obeying YHVH:

Slavery & Wickedness

Can you name me any laws that are so evil (Remember they came from His mouth for our good)?
 

Christine Baker

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Some people would say, I demonstrate my faith in Him by obedience to Him Whom He has sent - by not being made afraid by those who would twist the word in order to shake off the yoke of the law...

Others might say, God demonstrated his love for me by obedience to Him Who has sent Him - by not having been made afraid by those who would crucify and kill Him the Word of God, in order to re-establish lawlessness and shake off the yoke of obedience to the Law.


Are you a Jew?
 

Christine Baker

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I'm sorry, but this is just a mess. You call obeying YHVH:

Slavery & Wickedness

Can you name me any laws that are so evil (Remember they came from His mouth for our good)?


I didn't say the law was evil. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I said YOU are wicked. You demonstrate this in your refusal to accept Christ's death as sufficient to your salvation. YOU keep yourself in bondage (slavery) to sin. That is not walking in newness of life.

The law is good and perfect. Jesus fulfilled the law. The only One Who could. Now, on account of Him, I can come boldly to the throne of grace in time of need. I don't keep whining at God to "forgive me, Lord!" because He already has. I walk in the light as He is in the light and in so doing the blood of Christ cleanses me from all unrighteousness. That's what the word tells me.

More than that, I am baptised in His Spirit, the pledge of my inheritance, according to His word. Does that also cause you a problem?
 

Jason1

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I didn't say the law was evil. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I said YOU are wicked. You demonstrate this in your refusal to accept Christ's death as sufficient to your salvation. YOU keep yourself in bondage (slavery) to sin. That is not walking in newness of life.

The law is good and perfect. Jesus fulfilled the law. The only One Who could. Now, on account of Him, I can come boldly to the throne of grace in time of need. I don't keep whining at God to "forgive me, Lord!" because He already has. I walk in the light as He is in the light and in so doing the blood of Christ cleanses me from all unrighteousness. That's what the word tells me.

More than that, I am baptised in His Spirit, the pledge of my inheritance, according to His word. Does that also cause you a problem?
When have I ever refused Jesus's sacrifice? Never... (who puts words in who's mouth?)

Bondage is disobedience. By obeying you are not subjecting yourself to sin. Why is that hard to grasp?

You say you walk in the light. Do you realize that is a metaphor for walking in torah?

Psa_119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.
 

JonShaff

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When have I ever refused Jesus's sacrifice? Never... (who puts words in who's mouth?)

Bondage is disobedience. By obeying you are not subjecting yourself to sin. Why is that hard to grasp?

You say you walk in the light. Do you realize that is a metaphor for walking in torah?

Psa_119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.
Do you realize that Psalm 119 is a shadow for walking in Fellowship and Union with Jesus The Lord?
 

Christine Baker

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I'm sorry, but this is just a mess. You call obeying YHVH:

Slavery & Wickedness

Can you name me any laws that are so evil (Remember they came from His mouth for our good)?


I didn't say the law was evil. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I said YOU are wicked. You demonstrate this in your refusal to accept Christ's death as sufficient to your salvation and in your attempt to re-establish that which was once torn down, i.e. the law.

The law is good and perfect. Jesus fulfilled the law. The only One Who could. Now, on account of Him, I can come boldly to the throne of grace in time of need. I don't keep whining at God to "forgive me, Lord!" because He already has. I walk in the light as He is in the light and in so doing the blood of Christ cleanses me from all unrighteousness. That's what the word tells me.

More than that, I am baptised in His Spirit, the pledge of my inheritance, according to His word. I know God because He communes with my spirit. I know I am free in Him. "If you seek the truth, you will find the truth, and the truth will set you FREE." Emphasis mine.
 

Jason1

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Do you realize that Psalm 119 is a shadow for walking in Fellowship and Union with Jesus The Lord?
Of coarse it is. Is it all about how the torah (aka word) is good, set apart, and just. Jesus is the word made flesh and walked according to it. Thus if we love him, we will keep His commandments (torah).
 

JonShaff

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Of coarse it is. Is it all about how the torah (aka word) is good, set apart, and just. Jesus is the word made flesh and walked according to it. Thus if we love him, we will keep His commandments (torah).
But the Word died and so did the Old Covenant (You can't have a contract with a dead person). He Rose Again as a New Man with a New Covenant. Now what?
 

Gerhard Ebersoehn

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Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.

<<Your Torah is truth>> does that stand for "your Law is Truth"? Then "I-AM THE TRUTH" is Jesus is Our Law is God's Word! and I, can understand, that is, find rest for my soul.
 
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Jason1

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<<Your Torah is truth>> does that stand for "your Law is Truth"? Then "I-AM THE TRUTH" is Jesus! and I, can understand, that is, find rest for my soul.
You want a pearl of wisom? Here is a whopper:

Joh_14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
What was Yeshua referencing here? Did it contradict His Father's words?

The Way:

Psa_119:30 I have chosen the way of truth; Your right-rulings I have held level.
Psa_119:32 I run the way of Your commands, For You enlarge my heart.
Psa_119:33 Teach me, O YHVH, the way of Your laws, And I observe it to the end.
The Truth:

Psa_119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.
The Life:

Deu_32:47 “For it is not a worthless Word for you, because it is your life, and by this Word you prolong your days on the soil which you pass over the Yardĕn to possess.”
Pro_4:13 Hold fast to discipline, do not let go; Watch over her, for she is your life.​

Yeshua is saying: I AM THE WORD (the torah). You enter by keeping torah and His sacrifice of redemption. This is true grace.
 

Yeshua1

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That is a complete farce. Commands are obligatory, not cherry picked to fit your fleshly desires.
Jesus gave tous the ONLY thing required by sinners to do to get saved, to believe in God and on the One that he sent to be the Messiah, why do you try to add on what Jesus did not?
 

Jason1

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Jesus gave tous the ONLY thing required by sinners to do to get saved, to believe in God and on the One that he sent to be the Messiah, why do you try to add on what Jesus did not?
Oh, so its ok to now commit murder, steal, be a homo, lie, worship idols, blaspheme His name, etc?

You must think deeper into His words and what is being said.
 

Christine Baker

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Oh, so its ok to now commit murder, steal, be a homo, lie, worship idols, blaspheme His name, etc?

You must think deeper into His words and what is being said.


Technically, yes, I can do what I want.

I think you guys (Jason n Gerhard) need to think deeper into what He has accomplished. It's REALLY good news!
 
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