Featured God Does Not Will Any To Be Lost, Some Men Do!

God gave Adam and Eve an ability to choose between obeying or not. When they sinned, they fell completely, body, soul, and will. The whole man is now ensnared in sin.

I am soooooo glad you brought up Joshua 24:15.

“Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”[Joshua 24:14-15]

Joshua tells the ppl in verse 14 to put away the gods their forefathers served both in Egypt and in the land the Amorites, wherein they now resided. He then tells them if it seems disagreeable to serve the LORD, then choose those gods their forefathers served in Egypt or in the land of the Amorites. Joshua then divided himself from their idolatry by saying "as for me and my house(my family iow), we will serve the LORD." That's the context of Joshua 24:15. They said they would serve the LORD but they eventually fell by the wayside, and kept not their word.

 

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.[2 Peter 3:9]

Now, who are the 'with you? Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.[2 Peter 1:1-2]

The target audience was the saved, not the lost. The elect of God, not those He justly left in their sins. He is not willing any of those He chose from BEFORE the creation of the world[Ephesians 1:4] to be lost. Jesus said all the Father gave Him, He lost none, except one(Judas, but he was given to Jesus to betray Him into the hands of wicked men to die and rise again to fulfill the scriptures). That is why He is not willing any of those who 'but He is patient with you, should perish. Paul carries the same thought in Romans 9.

 

Brother Andy better recognize you're a Greek expert.

Brother Andy, if you are not good with Greek, as in having years of being taught and having taught it, as Brother TC has, you'd best in dropping this discussion.

 

The context is Jesus was talking about the Jews children, not the Jewish ppl en toto.

This shows their rebellious hearts.

 

Okay, seeing Jesus propitiated all mankind, dying for all, God's wrath is now appeased. Now, how do any go to hell, seeing His wrath has been appeased? In your view, God will be casting many into an eternal hell He has no wrath for. That's a cruel God.

 

Again, if God's not willing any perish, then have many already done so?

 

Yet none come to Jesus for salvation...What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.”“The poison of vipers is on their lips.” “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[Romans 3:9-18]

Paul started this by concluding all mankind, but Jews & Gentiles dead in their sins. In their deadness, none will seek God. Men in the flesh(context here means those devoid of God's Spirit, iow, spiritually dead, unregenerate) can not please God[Romans 8:8] and can not receive the things of God, as they are foolishness to them, and can not understand them, as they are Spiritually discerned. But none come to God of their own will/volition.

 

No, no, no, no...God's wrath is already appeased by the Son's atoning sacrifice. If He died for all, God's wrath has been appeased. There's none for Him to mete out. Yet God is going to send a multitude of siiners to an eternal hell He has no wrath over.

 

But they were born sinless, we were not.

Apples to dump trucks...

 

Hi Andy, I see the usual suspects are posting change of subject posts, nitpicking and questioning your qualification for holding views contrary to Calvinism. Same ol, same ol.

Returning to subject - does God really desire that all people be saved? If He does, then Jesus would have died for all people. Otherwise there would be no path for salvation for those Christ did not die for.

Well, what about the problem that if God desires all people to be saved, then why are not all people saved? Here we must consider whether God is the God of compulsion, where He compels some to choose death, and via irresistible grace, compels other s to choose live. But scripture says God sets both choices (life or death) before us and begs us to choose life. So the answer from scripture is God desires all people to be saved - according to His redemption plan - which is for us, as best we can to choose life.
He provides the gospel, witnesses, and those that till the ground, plant the word, and water such that some choose life. That is the redemption plan.

Once you understand the actual redemption plan, all of scripture fits together perfectly.