1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Luther Was Error Free In Every Religious Doctrine

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by John Yurich, May 24, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Martin Luther was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as the result of him giving his life to Christ. And thus Luther was error free in every religious doctrine that he held and that he had in the Lutheran Church.
     
  2. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,760
    Likes Received:
    1,337
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Being "under the guidance of the Holy Spirit" makes us error free?

    The Spirit offers guidance - but the body still holds the reins.

    I can guarantee that Luther would disagree with your statement.

    Rob
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Wrong, as THAT ended when Apostle John passed away!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Wrong. Everybody who gives their life to Christ is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and thus error free in terms of the religious doctrines that they hold to.
     
  5. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,760
    Likes Received:
    1,337
    Faith:
    Baptist
    ...and I disagree.

    What do you do with that?

    Is one of us not "under the guidance"?

    Rob
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Only one who is an Apostle of Christ can claim that, and Luther was not one of them!
     
  7. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,760
    Likes Received:
    1,337
    Faith:
    Baptist
    By observation we see faithful believers with opposing doctrines.

    By simple deduction we can presume that being lead by the Holy Spirit doesn't mean we will always have correct doctrine.

    So what does the Spirit-filled life look like?

    Rob
     
  8. MennoSota

    MennoSota Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,727
    Likes Received:
    443
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Is this something you read in the Babylon Bee???
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  9. Bro. James

    Bro. James Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    3,130
    Likes Received:
    59
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Martin Luther was a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest. He was a pedobaptist when excommunicated and remained so until death. His progeny still follow his errors of soteriology. Most so-called reformers of Rome have the same error. This is another gospel which is not another. Apostle Paul said such is anathema. It does not get more serious.

    Salvation by works and infant baptism are still fatal errors.

    Time to repent and get right with God.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
  10. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    33,911
    Likes Received:
    1,663
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I will remind you that Jim Jones & David Koresch thought they were under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and thus error free.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  11. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    33,911
    Likes Received:
    1,663
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Actually Martin Luther did not believe in salvation by works....His theology was of salvation by faith rather than good works, which undermined the authority of the clergy in northern Germany. That salvation by works thing was the invention of Melanchthon who brought it back later on.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,895
    Likes Received:
    2,498
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well then, we have a problem. I disagree with Luther in a couple minor areas of doctrine. By your above definition, big Luther and myself are perfect. Were both perfect and we disagree.

    Only Jesus Christ was perfect. The authors of The Bible penned perfect Word of God, but they were far from perfect.

    I think you are worshiping a doctrine of man.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,760
    Likes Received:
    1,337
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So what does a Spirit-guided life look like?

    It is living a life that looks like Jesus

    Loving the unlovely, caring for the poor and needy, mourning with those who mourn, weeping with those who weep.

    It is displayed by our actions.
    A Spirit-guided life is observed by those around us.
    It transcends our petty doctrinal differences and encompaces those that have differing opinions.
    It is a Christian walk lead by love for others

    This, I think is something I believe Luther would agree with

    Rob
     
  14. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Haaaaaaaaa! That's funny. Luther was a renegade priest who didn't like the limits imposed upon him by the established Western Rite Church and proceeded to tear the whole thing asunder. From tearing out the parts of Scripture that did not fit his new ideas, Luther set in motion the beginnings of hate and destruction and maybe the Holy Spirit was with him for awhile, but at some point the evil one used things to his advantage.

    Luther's only saving grace was that he still believed in the real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist and honored the Blessed Mother in the orthodox way.
     
  15. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Jones was an atheist. So there is no way Jones thought he was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as he denied that God exists and thus denied the Holy Spirit.
     
  16. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    No I am not worshiping a doctrine of man. I am Born Again as the result of having given my life to Christ during an Altar Call some 20 years ago.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  17. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,491
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Actually I think Luther was right, for the most part. What he believed about baptism was right on:

    "Martin Luther urged, in opposition to the standard practice of pouring, that baptism should be by immersion. He pointed out that the word in the Greek language (original writings) means 'To plunge something entirely into the water, so that the water closes over it,' and urged that immersion should be the mode of baptism."


    A Compend of Luther's Theology, p. 167, via Handbook of Religious Quotations, p. 11.

    In other words, Martin Luther was 100% correct when he said that baptism means 'To plunge something entirely into the water, so that the water closes over it.' All Bible dictionaries define the word "baptizo" as immerse, dip, or plunge and never use another term in reference to baptism.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  18. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,535
    Likes Received:
    144
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I'm curious, do you believe Luther was correct in his belief in the Real Presence of Jesus in Holy Communion? Also, even Lutherans are at odds with each other over the interpretations of The Book of Concord.
     
  19. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,535
    Likes Received:
    144
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Luther believed in Baptismal Regeneration, do you agree with that?
     
  20. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,491
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...