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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, Jun 12, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Was it a faithful translation?
     
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    You preference is the Bzt text, correct? And there would be as much differences between the Mt/Bzt as say between them and the CT?
     
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    Jesus did state that we should be glad whenever those not of us are preaching about Him, as did Paul, too bad Lockman did not listen!
     
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    Yes, Lockman supported the effort financially and wanted control of the copyright. The Japanese side ended up paying quite a bit of money to Lockman to secure the copyright. But Lockman has always been picky about copyrights, so I want to think that was the first motivation, not the money.
     
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    Not as many differences, but still plenty.
     
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    Pretty good, though from the UBS/Nestles in the NT, like the NASB.
     
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    Let me be clear here. The 1000s do not necessarily mean translatable differences. Here is a collation between the two Greek NTs for anyone interested: http://www.biblical-data.org/MT_collation.html

    Translatable differences = 265
     
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    I think that regardless of the source text, whether CT/MT/TR etc, a good translation can be made IF they have a good and proper philosophy on translation...
     
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    None of them though would have differences though in regards to major doctrines?
     
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    But if the wrong original text is used, some of God's revelation will be lost, though the translation per se may be well done.
     
    #50 John of Japan, Jun 15, 2017
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    "If the wrong text is used" is fake news.
     
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    There are better ones to use, but none would be the wrong one to use, as any of them would be a good basis to make translation off from!
     
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    In some ways, it's a matter of the perfect being the enemy of the good enough.
     
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    Are you claiming there is a perfect textform?
     
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    No, I might put it better in this case as:
    The better is the enemy of the good enough.​

    I was quoting an old engineering proverb. For the most part, any of the recognized Greek texts are good enough to do a translation from. Rejecting a translation only because it didn't come from the text you believe is a better one is comes out of an ivory tower.

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    So you come from the Byzantine ivory tower I assume?

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    Nope, for my purposes, I use the blue cover TR I was required to use at MBBC back in the day. I am for all practical purposes an English Bible only preacher. I know enough Greek to know I'm not fluent enough in the language to properly use it.
     
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    You say you are an "English Bible Only" preacher. What in the world does that mean? There are numerous English Bible translations. You prefer one out of many. It is translated out of the TR tradition.

    What is this "ivory tower" business you were talking about before?
     
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    As I don't have any regular preaching responsibilities, I get along with the KJV very nicely. But, I do realize I am only feeding my listeners good tasting, healthy for them oatmeal. To use an illustration from the Calfornia Gold Rush, I am at best panning for nuggets. I'm not equipped to do any hard rock mining. IOW, my preaching is basically topical, not exegetical.

    The "ivory tower" I refer to is (are) the ivory tower(s) occupied by the Greek experts of all camps. For them, the text family does matter.
     
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    Based on your statements:
    "Any of the Greek texts are good enough to do a translation from."

    "The better is the enemy of the good enough."

    Let me ask you if you if translations based on the Byzantine textform are just good enough and not better?
     
    #60 Rippon, Jun 16, 2017
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