You are not now ignoring the passage. Thank you. Better late than never.
Exactly so. But Jesus' body had top be broken and His blood shed (1 Corinthians 11:24-25) to bring in that covenant. God's justice and His wrath against sin had to be propitiated. Now if you had read OP in the 'Penal Substitution' thread, you wouldn't have to ask about this. Here it is AGAIN
So we come to the necessity of Atonement. We must be very careful in saying that God cannot do something, but the Scriptures tell us that God ‘cannot deny Himself’ (2 Timothy 2:13). In the light of Proverbs 17:15, God surely cannot become an abomination to Himself by justifying guilty sinners without a penalty for sin! Be it said that God is under no obligation to show mercy to sinful humans; the angels who sinned had no Redeemer but were ‘cast down to hell and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgement’ (2 Peter 2:4). But if God, ‘according to the good pleasure of His will’ (Ephesians 1:5), has decreed mercy and salvation for a vast crowd of sinful men and women, it surely cannot be at the expense of His justice. Someone must pay the price and satisfy God’s justice and His righteous anger against sin.
In the Scriptures we have the concept of the mediator, one who might fill up the gap between the outraged holiness of God and rebellious man (Isaiah 59:2). Job complained, “For He is not a man, as I am, that I should answer Him, and that we should go to court together. Nor is there any mediator between us who may lay his hand on us both.” But mediation requires a satisfaction to be made to the offended party. We see this is the book of Philemon. Here we have an offended party, Philemon, whose servant has run away from him, perhaps stealing some goods as he went; an offending party, Onesimus, and Paul who is attempting to mediate between them. Onesimus needs to return to his master, but fears the sanctions that may be imposed upon him if he does so. Paul takes these sanctions upon himself: ‘But if he has wronged you or owes anything, put that on my account. I, Paul, am writing with my own hand. I will repay…..’ (Philemon 18-19). Whatever is wanting to propitiate Philemon’s anger against his servant and to effect reconciliation, Paul the mediator willingly provides. In the same way, the Lord Jesus has become a Mediator between men and God (1 Timothy 2:5).
In 2 Corinthians 5:19, we learn that God does not impute trespasses against His people; in Christ; He has reconciled the world [believing Jew and Gentile alike] to Himself. How has He done this? Through the Mediator Jesus Christ. ‘For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us….’ (v.21). The Lord Jesus has taken our sins upon Himself and made satisfaction to God for them. Therefore the message of reconciliation can be preached to all.
A similar concept is that of a surety. This is someone who guarantees the debts of a friend and must pay them in full if the friend defaults. There are several warnings in the Book of Proverbs against becoming a surety (Proverbs 6:1-5; 11:15; 17:18), since one is making the debts of one’s friend effectively one’s own, yet we read in Hebrews 7:22, ‘By so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.’
Indeed it is, and He is, but only because God executed judgement on Christ 'made sin for us.' Christ was made the very epitome of sin, all the sin's of God's people being imputed to Him (Isalah 53:6). He took our guilt and shame and God punished Him, the guilty One by imputation, for them, so that we, the truly guilty, might be considered wholly righteous. 'The chastisement for our peace was upon Him.'.
Psalm 69 is a messianic psalm, quoted with reference to Christ in the N.T. (vs 9 & 20-21; cf. also vs. 8 & 22). There He declares, "My sins are not hidden from You' (v.5). He made our sins His own and bore them, and the shame and punishment of them, on our behalf.
First, you are taking 2 Timothy 2:13 out of context. Here is the fuller text:
2 Timothy 2:8-13 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God's word is not chained. Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
God is God. And this is God being just and the justifier of sinners. They are in Christ – to deny those in Him is to deny Himself. This is a truth some need to learn when speaking of other churches.
What is our first glimpse at the Atonement? It is Genesis 3:15 as it is foretold that Jesus would crush the head of the serpent. What is the first Christian sermon ever preached? It is Acts 2:32-36 where all God’s enemies are made a “footstool”.
We do not need a Savior to take away our punishment. We need a Savior who would deliver us from our sin. God cannot condemn the righteous….period. Which disproves your theory. God cannot justify the wicked. Period. God’s work of salvation is not one that spares us the consequences of sin but that which spares us the wrath to come, which is decisively Christ-centered. The “old man” in us, the sinner, will die. Our bodies will die. But out of this we have a hope in the resurrection because in this life God recreates us.
Do you not know that God will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. He will give you a new heart and a new spirit. He will put His Spirit in you. Salvation is recreation. We are made new creatures in Christ – no longer bound by the law, no longer condemned by the law.
Stop looking to hold on to that old man. He must die. We must die to the flesh, take up our crosses daily and follow Him. This is life because in Him is life and a life of abundance. Christ did not die to spare us this death, but rather that in dying to the flesh we would live in Him.
