Atonement

First, you are taking 2 Timothy 2:13 out of context. Here is the fuller text:

2 Timothy 2:8-13 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God's word is not chained. Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

God is God. And this is God being just and the justifier of sinners. They are in Christ – to deny those in Him is to deny Himself. This is a truth some need to learn when speaking of other churches.

What is our first glimpse at the Atonement? It is Genesis 3:15 as it is foretold that Jesus would crush the head of the serpent. What is the first Christian sermon ever preached? It is Acts 2:32-36 where all God’s enemies are made a “footstool”.

We do not need a Savior to take away our punishment. We need a Savior who would deliver us from our sin. God cannot condemn the righteous….period. Which disproves your theory. God cannot justify the wicked. Period. God’s work of salvation is not one that spares us the consequences of sin but that which spares us the wrath to come, which is decisively Christ-centered. The “old man” in us, the sinner, will die. Our bodies will die. But out of this we have a hope in the resurrection because in this life God recreates us.

Do you not know that God will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. He will give you a new heart and a new spirit. He will put His Spirit in you. Salvation is recreation. We are made new creatures in Christ – no longer bound by the law, no longer condemned by the law.

Stop looking to hold on to that old man. He must die. We must die to the flesh, take up our crosses daily and follow Him. This is life because in Him is life and a life of abundance. Christ did not die to spare us this death, but rather that in dying to the flesh we would live in Him.

 

And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth

Again, brother, your "mastery" of the Scripture by taking one verse out to "prove" your point has left you empty handed. Here is the fuller context:

Romans 6:1-14 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Until one understands that following Christ means denying ones self and taking up their cross daily it is impossible that they do so. Until one believes they must, as John Owen put it, "be killing sin" in their lives, they simply will not. One of the most horrible side effects of your theory is this "easy believism" in a salvation that expects absolutely nothing from the saved.

You cannot simply take one verse out of context (as you did with both Romans 6 and 2 Timothy) and twist it into your theory. You do this on with the idea that anything you say can be viewed as "implied" in Scripture but God's Word does not work that way. It is not as subjective as you think. Read FROM the Bible, not into it.

The choicest believers, who are assuredly freed from the condemning power of sin, ought yet to make it their business all their days to mortify the indwelling power of sin. - Owen

 

I did not mean that God condemned the Righteous One. That was @Martin Marprelate , @The Biblicist , and @Yeshua1 's view (that Christ took upon Himself our sins and God condemned Him in our stead). My view is that it was God's predetermined plan that Christ suffer and die at the hands of godless men, experiencing the wrath due mankind - the wages of sin - and being raised on the third day. (I view Christ as the "Last Adam", the Firstborn of many breathern, of representing those reborn).

 

I do not think God can sustain such an injury to his nature that would be called a "need". If He could (which I believe impossible), I don't think that such an injury could be inflicted by mere men.

 

It was God's will, but no. Jesus lay down his own life by allowing men to place Jesus upon the cross. The Jews gave him over to the Romans, they beat Him and sought to release Him. The Jews insisted he be crucified and the Roman soldiers placed him on the cross. A soldier pierced his side. He was dead and Nicodemus with Joseph prepared the body and placed him in a tomb. This is basic Christianity, brother.

 

The op is my stated belief (which you are not interacting with, but rather imposing your own view). I never said that Jesus experienced the same treatment by God as all sinners will in the Judgment. That contradicts Scripture. I said that Christ bore our sins. Not that God was wrathful towards Him but that took upon Himself the sin of man, faced those consequences, and rose again on the third day.

 

Scripture says men esteemed Him as smitten by God.

 

Ah....I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I believe that God predetermined that Christ would die at the hands of godless men, so we may disagree on that point. I don't view God as being wrathful to Christ but instead Christ taking upon Himself all that would be wrath to mankind.