Featured Did You Love the Light or the Darkness?

Then your theology has a big problem.

Churches are full of lost people seeking God, every Sunday.
Calvinists say that those people are being drawn to Christ (you just said it, I quoted you.)
Calvinists also say that anyone that God draws will be saved.

So, how do you reconcile the fact that people that seek God don't get saved?

 

I bet there's a whoooole lot of Calvinists that would disagree with your take on the beatitudes. They're not something 'to be delivered'. They're descriptive of those to whom the kingdom belongs, as in now, not in the far distant future

 

So what sort of spin does your theology apply to this?:

44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. Jn 6

(...wow, Jesus sounds like a Calvinist...)

 

Uh-huh. Churches every Sunday are full of lost people.

The Magi sought out the Christ child.
Zaccheus sought out Jesus.
The Centurion sought out Jesus.
Blind men sought him out.
A DEMON POSSESSED man sought him out.
Jairus sought out Jesus.
The woman who had been bleeding for 12 years sought Jesus.
After healing many people, Jesus went to an isolated place and crowds looked for him and found him, imploring him not to leave them. (Luke 4:42)

Both can happen.

 

Can someone show me from scripture that 'lost' means 'hell bound'? Or, for that matter, that 'saved' means 'saved from hell'?

 

Worth Reposting:

Scripture please, I want this verse----->> "ALL WHO GOD DRAWS HE SAVES"

You might need a lawyer or computer coder or English teacher.

The Devil is in the Details.


44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

No one can come to Jesus UNLESS the Father draws him, TRUE.

ALL who the Father DRAW come to Jesus, FALSE.



NO one can have a drink at my house unless God gives you a mouth!

So you can't drink at my house unless GOD has given you a mouth, TRUE.

All who God gives a mouth will have a drink at my house, FALSE.


Also people need to keep in mind, AT the Cross and Resurrection, ALL AUTHORITY has been given to Jesus Christ.

John 12
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

(^there is an added implication it was not being done, hence he "WILL")

So we can see God drawing men, then Jesus drawing men. I don't see a case of the holy spirit drawing men.

Now I expect someone will say when Jesus draws ALL men, it only means elect.

I want to know WHAT exactly would he have to say to mean ALL MEN.

 

If you search the scriptures you're hard put to separate 'lost' from 'lost sheep'. As in sheep, not goats. Peruse Ezek 34 for a good take on 'lost sheep'.

 

So, did you peruse Ezek 34 to get a BIBLICAL sense of the term 'lost sheep'?

A couple points actually. I'll paraphrase you from post #27:

If you took the time to peruse Ezek 34, do you agree with this paraphrase?:

24 But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep [the hell bound] of the house of Israel. Mt 15

The other point is the question if you're a sincere student of the word (if you are you would take/make the time to peruse Ezek 34 on this issue which should cause you to reconsider), or just parroting from the Calvinist playbook. THE MAJORITY [hoi polloi] (both free willers and Calvinists) of evangelical Christendom today glibly accepts that the Bible says, and means, that 'the lost' are 'hell bound', and that 'saved' means 'saved from hell'. As a serious sincere student of the word, can you prove this from scripture? As a genuine student of the word have you ever 'thought outside of the box' about this?

Or are you content with the 'status quo'?