Deadweight Donald

I also have Italian forebears. Italian Catholic ones. They were the ones that fed me and clothed me....not Al Martin nor the Baptists.

 

Are you saying that Catholics cant be saved?

 

Well there you go. See but I don't like the pope nonsense. nor do I like jumping the hoops of sacramental steps. Lets see, there is 7 of them.....Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eucharist, Penance, Marriage, Holy Orders & Extreme Unction.

Still, I am drawn to the Franciscans. I'm not going to go through my experiences with them but they have mostly been favorable.

 

Is there some type of need in you to be right & think of yourself as saved, superior & morally elite standing on God & religion, and forever quoting arguable scripture for your own purpose?

Ive stated this before & this will probably be the last time, I believe that more evil has come into the world by people of righteous ignorance than by people who have intentionally sinned. Being convinced that one has the whole truth and has God wrapped up in my church organization, my dogmas and my right response .... I am a Baptist, I made a personal decision for Christ, God saves my kind & not your kind, I go to church.

It's not wrong to be right....once and a while if something work out, that's sure nice. The Spiritual problem (that I find on this Board more than anywhere else) is the need to be right.

We are called to do the truth & let go of the consequences....so I am going to let go. There is some research of mine I have to do in the next few weeks. Some friends of mine have died these last few weeks & others are seriously ill which causes to re-evaluate many things. I know this, I want life & I want it abundantly. If any given church or gathering place does not care for the brethren on this side of life, does not cherish them & give comfort to them here, now & on this side of life, then how are they going to do anything for me when we are dead.

 

Why ... you really know nothing about Catholics but what you have been taught

 

So what... who cares. Nobody followes that excrement. But they do feed the hungry, find housing for the homeless, reach out to people and do what it says in scripture to do.

 

Just like they defrocked all those pedofiles... come on. But most Franciscans are somewhat different... anyway the ones I know are.

 

Depends on the Franciscan... I know some very vocal ones who have already stated their disagreements with mainstream catholism and haven’t seen one defrocked yet. You do recall that both Calvin, Zwindle and Luther worked for the Catholics at one time. The RC “management” gave them ample time and many opportunities to recant. Of course they could not make that leap and were then excommunicated and later hunted. But they managed to start their very own Reformed Protestant Churches.

Franciscans are no different but people tend to like them... they trend activist. Frank the hippie pope is a Francian. He doesn’t win any awards for Christian orthodoxy but he can cover for radicals wanting to express themselves in a non traditional way.