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If you willfully sin yo might be lost thinking Christ died for you. John says we cannot continue in sin.

 

1 John 1:8

 

Saying you have no sin and wallering in it are not the same.

 

Not at all. Rather, I present what the Scriptures clearly express.

Such Scriptures present the "high calling of God" to "holiness." Not sinless perfection, but the striving to "sin-less" knowing that such striving is honorable as our "reasonable service."

That Christians are content with less than honorable, and desire to live less than honorably in no way presents the Scriptures as approving of such living. Rather, just as the Lord Jesus Christ told the heathen in His day, it was because they could not live to the standard that Moses had to allow for bills of divorcement, BUT that was not the high calling of God, and then went on to state the narrow window of time a divorce is allowable, but after consumption, "let no man put asunder."

 

Double posted, wonder why it did that!

 

Not true or the commandments would not be continually written upon the heart of all humankind (Romans 1)

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.​

If the decalogue was removed, it would no longer hold the heathen accountable. But, it has not been removed.

Rather, it is fulfilled for believers (only) in Christ, and why Paul preached the message of reconciliation.

In our modern way of marriage, the only allowable divorce is prior to consumption following the wedding. That is also the same grounds for what is termed an annulment. It is unfortunate that the modernistic teaching of "reason for divorce" is not far removed from what Moses allowed, and what Christ pointedly stated was not the standard that God expected, but allowed because of human weakness.

Here is a very specific passage from Hebrews 9 that addresses this issue concerning the old and new covenant. It is important to note that replacement was never indicated in this passage.

1Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. ... 5... Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

6... 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
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See, all that remains for the Jewish believers is that food, drink and various washings, regulations for the body. The old covenant was not done away but what part was eternally fulfilled? The next section states that answer.

11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16...

23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
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It is clear from this passage that the old covenant was not done away with, but for the believer, was fulfilled not on this earth, but in the heavens. Such fulfillment is not for the unbelieving. The heathen have no part in that new covenant, and that only the believers "eagerly wait(ing) for him."

 

Saying that we no more willful sin is to be sinning, as that per the scriptures is telling a lie!

 

I agree with you trhat a Christian desire shoudl be to love and to please God now in our thoughts/deeds and behavior, but I still do not see where any of us get while alive to a state when we ONLY commit sins of ommission, and also do NOT see any scriptures that states the a dirvorced/remarried Chriatian has sinned so far that the blood of Jesus no longer has the power to cleanse them even from that sin!

 

So I can kill a guy and take his wife and marry her and that’s fine.

But if she’s divorced and I marry her(in my lost days) I am doomed for hell as long as I remain married to her?

Pharisee, PLEASE get off of that Sanhedrin.

 

You keep using this verse and willingly sin. What sin did you unwillingly commit? Who twisted your arm behind your back and forced you to sin?

 

Exactly. David had him murdered instead of manning up and tell him he got his wife prego while he was in battle.

David can be forgiven of that(murder), but ppl today can not be forgiven of adultery.

I guess ppl need to murder their spouse to meet your righteous demands.

 

Guess which sin God gave to us the captial punishement for in Genesis?
To God, the murder outranked the adultery....

 

I just wonder whatever happened to Grace?

 

You are correct in stating that there is not a sin that the blood of Christ has not removed.

As the Scriptures state, Christ shed His blood once for all sin
Hebrews 9:

11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.​

There is never such a state of attaining sinlessness while in this flesh. There are sins we both willingly commit, those we unwilling or unwittingly commit, and those of righteousness we neglect to partake as sins of omission. That is why John wrote that "...if we do sin, He is faithful..."

However, As Paul also states that those believers who continue in sinfulness, although even often rebuked, may certainly "sleep" as God will not tolerate those of His own that bring shame and rebuke. That is not specific to any sinful behavior, but is a general principle. Whom the Lord loves He will discipline.

When it comes to the topic, then (imo) it remains that the assembly must bind or loose according to the heart of the unrepentant or repentant. So, if one has divorced and remarried, it is not shameful to be held as an example to the assembly that others learn by the example to conduct their own affairs in such a way as to not live in rebuke. And in doing so, the principle of Scriptures is that there is certain benefit.

However, it is so very unfortunate that the majority of assemblies have no provision of admission and restoration, but reside in smear and distortion. So those (no matter the sin) are often left with none to support them and live with a life of fear and shame and that is so very sad and unnecessary!

"All have sinned." And although we none meet that high calling and standard, it makes little character to pronounce judgment upon others in any matter unless there is unrepentant hearts. Rather, we should all strive to and contend for the faith while displaying to the heathen our love and care for one another. Not the covering of sin by hiding it, but by the love shown. For love covers an abundant amount of sin (confessed sin) in the assembly for how else will the heathen know the work of Christ in our hearts but by such love?

 

Only if caught in the act and on the testimony of two or three reliable (impartial) witnesses. Uriah could have divorced his pregnant wife since her infidelity would be obvious, but since there were no witnesses, she could not have been put to death.

 

I do not think that I could (or would) in good conscience suggest that Tyndale1946 and his wife needed to repent because she was abandoned by an adulterous husband and we no longer stone adulterers.

That is not the message that I EVER want the Church to send. We already have a reputation for shooting our wounded.

 

We may no longer stone adulterers but she may have different ideas... I'll make sure to keep stones away from her, when her ex shows up at family functions... Oh I forgot there is always stoneware... Brother Glen

 

Jeremiah and Hebrews say the New Covenant replaced the Ten Commandments (Old Covenant). You are confusing the Two Great eternal Commandments written on the heart, with the Ten written in stone.

 

“For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,” (Hebrews 10:26)

 

Jesus said it, not me. “And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.” (Mark 10:11–12)