The Monergist View of the Human Will

We are bound through sin not to sin. All this is from the misuse of one verse. m

If there is no free will, who sinned initially?

 

I quoted you, How can you say wrong?

 

You have a sin nature.
Yes, we are only bound to sin because we continue in sin,
You have the power,
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power tobecome the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

then we must have the freedom to accept Christ

The question is, if there is no free will , how did sin occur initially?

 

I was wrong, you did not attack me. I apologize, I had just responded to the "I Believe in Free Will" when your thread started when you repeated the points i just debunked.

 

...And if God wants to make a rock so BIG that even He can't lift it I suppose He will do that too, eh?

Eze_33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

I agree with you , as they have to force into this the middle grounds, in order to preserve their own will as the a

Dead people can do nothing to save themselves!

 

Jde 1:18 KJV - How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

 

Did Jesus have Free Will?

 

When will you guys stop taking this passage out of its context?

He is speaking to the Pharisees that are rejecting Him. They were already rejecting the Father, therefore, would not receive the Son. Those who were following Yahweh in Christ's day were being drawn to Christ because they were already the Father's. Please, stop doing violence to the text!

 

So, all doesn’t mean ‘everybody w/o exception’, correct?

 

Christ was speaking to a specific group with a specific purpose...the Phrarisees wanted many kicked out of Israel because they didn't meet their "righteousness." The Lord was saying all who are God's (in Israel at that time) will follow the Son. Keep it in its historical context. Read John 9 and 10.

 

Guess you missed the point, it has to do with logic along with truth, but nevermind and shame on you for that unfounded and uncalled for accusation against me. I neither mock God or walk in my own ungodly lusts. Thank you.

 

I have no point beyond trying to learn what each side believes. I am not trying to trick you or trap you, I promise.

You started the thread, you stated, to discuss what monergists believe concerning free will and, apparently, compare that to what synergists believe.

I am trying to gather information. I thought it best to start with what each side agrees on. Nothing more or less.

Now, both sides agree God must intervene and the Gospel must be presented.

Is it fair to say that both sides believe that a person must respond to God intervening and the gospel presentaion with faith in Jesus Christ?

 

No, I'm asking if both monergists and synergists believe a person must respond to God's intervention and the gospel presentation with faith in Jesus Christ?

 

But you still never answered my question.

 

Don't both suggest God initiates salvation, Synergists accept there is man's cooperation , Monergists do not?

 

Whatever will Jesus had, He submitted to the will of His Father.
Luk 22:42 KJV - Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.