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The King James Only Debate

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  1. Logos1560

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    Hollner, Michael. The King James Only Debate: Can you Trust the Modern Scholars?
    Winter Springs, FL: Write the Vision Ministry, 2018.

    This is a new KJV-only book by a man who attended an Assembly of God Bible College for 2 years.
    He is also the author of a book advocating the mid-tribulational rapture of the church.

    In his opening sentence, this author asserted: "Finally, there is an answer to all the disputes and debates going back and forth over the years, between the KJV faith movement and the scholarship only club, as to which version of the Bible is God's true Word" (p. 1).

    On the last page, Michael Hollner claimed: "For Bible believers worldwide, the case is now closed, there are no more questions" (p. 298).

    I do not recommend this book, and I think that this author fails to deliver on what he claims to have done.
     
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    Who does he see then as capable Kjvo scholars?
     
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    In his book, Michael Hollner provided no bibliography listing his sources.

    He does favorably mention and cite Gail Riplinger, Peter Ruckman, and David Daniels so they may be three of his sources.
     
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    None of them would rise up to being capable textual critics though!
     
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    KJV onlyism is an enemy of the KJV.
     
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    Concerning the marginal note in the 1611 KJV at Isaiah 34:7, Michael Hollner argued that "the AV translators themselves stated that they were equating UNICORN with RHINOCEROS or a type of animal resembling a rhinoceros" (pp. 194-195).

    Would a consistent application of his own stated reasoning be saying that the KJV translators themselves stated that they were equating Lucifer with day star in their marginal note in the 1611 KJV at Isaiah 14:12? Would a consistent application of his reasoning be suggesting incorrectly that the KJV translators compared the devil with Jesus?

    Is this author unaware that in a sermon KJV translator Lancelot Andrewes referred to "St Peter's Lucifer in cordibus [daystar in your hearts]" (Hewison, Selected Writings, p. 112)? An edition of the Latin Vulgate printed with the 1538 Coverdale’s English translation of its New Testament has “lucifer oriator in cordib” in its Latin text at 2 Peter 1:19 with its rendering in English as “the day star arise in your hearts”. Lancelot Andrewes evidently cited or used the Latin Vulgate’s word Lucifer in his sermon with the meaning “daystar.” Daystar is Old English for morning star.

    Would not the KJV translators have known that the marginal note in the 1560 Geneva Bible for this word included the following: "for the morning star that goeth before the sun is called Lucifer?"

    Could Michael Hollner be jumping to a wrong conclusion with a consistent application of his own reasoning that would seem to suggest that the Geneva Bible translators and KJV translators were comparing the devil with Jesus?
     
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    Michael Hollner claimed: "There is no copyright with the text of the Authorized KJV of 1611. The Lord is the divine author" (p. 12).

    Hollner claimed: "The KJV is the only version without a copyright, which causes scholars and minions to foam at the mouth" (p. 130).
     
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    They would be claiming inspiration there!
     
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    Don't take this Personal, but I am New Here and don't know how to start a New Thread on This Topic..

    I believe The KJV Translated By One Man (The Prophet) to be the Greatest Translation of the Holy Bible of Our Day.! JSTV
     

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    So Stephen - You are LDS?
     
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    Yes, I Thought I Was A BAPTIST Up until April 7th, 2018, then I Converted To The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    It Is My Goal To Represent The Church and Help You All To Understand What My Church Believes.

    There Is Much Lies Told And Hypocrisy Outside of My Church ABOUT My Church, But I'm Here To Dispel Disbelief If I Can Reach You.

    I'm Not Here To Convert You if You're Not Ready, I'm Here To Further Your Learning of The Only Way To Your Salvation Through Jesus Christ.!
     
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    Your King James is very, very different from our King James. Only one can be true. I like the King James, but it is not my preference.

    When Joseph Smith read the King James Bible, he was offended by parts of it and changed it. He's not a prophet. He's a liar.

    For example:

    • The King James Version [and ALL other older versions and modern versions] have in Genesis 19 vile men coming to Lot's house and asking for the two "men" to have sex with. Lot offers his two daughters in place of the angels who were in his house for the those men to rape.
    • Joseph's Smith "King James Version" has the vile men asking for the two angels AND Lot's daughters and Lot trying to protect his daughters from these men.
    Both of those versions cannot be true.

    Joseph Smith did not translate his "Bible" from any ancient texts. He just made it up based on what offended him or he didn't like.

    I, MYSELF, don't like it that Lot offered up his two daughters to be raped. But the Bible is not about all of these goody-two-shoe people who always to the right thing. Some stories of people are horrid as is with horrid people today.

    I'll say this as kindly as I know how. The Joseph Smith "Bible" is not the living Word of God. He took God's Word and altered it in MANY places to say what HE thought it should say.

    Flee from it.
     
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    You have risen to the degree of LDS scholar in 8 months? Impressive.

    Have you taken time to study the founder(s) of this movement, Joseph Smith, et al?
     
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    I didn't say I was any scholar, I said I want to have Bible Study with you all.

    I have been a Priest in my Church for Few Months.
     
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    Chapter 19
    Lot entertains holy men—The men of Sodom seek to abuse Lot’s guests and are smitten with blindness—Lot is sent out of Sodom—The Lord rains brimstone and fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah—Lot’s daughters preserve his seed in the land.


    1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
    2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
    3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

    What Does Yours Say..

    Mine Was Translated By A Modern Day Prophet, whether you Believe or not
     
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    He did NOT translate the Bible from Ancient Text.. He Was Asked By God to Translate in 1800s.
     
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    The false prophet Joeseph Smith taught Jesus and Lucifer were half brothers.there are the any other false ideas those sincere people believe but they are yet outside of the true and living God.
    Keep searching my friend
     
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    I guess you kinda consider yourself a modern day Daniel?... I love the KJV also and it is the only one I quote from study and read... And I agree with Dr. Bob, study your founders, especially your Prophet and I might recommend a book I found most interesting... No Man Knows My History by Fawn M. Brodie and since this is the books and publications forum here it is for you and all the brethren who have not seen it or ever heard of it... Welcome to the BB by the way... I'm just curious why would you come here and step in the Lions den?... Brother Glen:eek:

    http://www.secularrights.com/No-Man-Knows-My-History.pdf
     
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    Because I am Protected by God, and directed by Holy Spirit. I go frequent alone in The Lion's Den.
    I love it in There!
    If you all don't drive away the Spirit, then i will continue to answer you.
    I love your analogy, and I love Daniel 2, namely 2:44...
    It tells about the Latter Day Kingdom Of God On Earth (LDS).

    Chapter 2
    Nebuchadnezzar’s dream is revealed to Daniel—The king saw a great image, a stone cut from the mountain without hands destroyed the image, and the stone grew and filled the whole earth—The stone is the latter-day kingdom of God.

    1 And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
    2 Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.
    3 And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.
    4 Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation.
    5 The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill.
    6 But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.
     
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    Jeremiah
    Chapter 2
    The people of Judah forsook the Lord, the fountain of living waters—They worshipped idols and rejected the prophets.


    1 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
    2 Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in a land that was not sown.
    3 Israel was holiness unto the Lord, and the firstfruits of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the Lord.
    4 Hear ye the word of the Lord, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel:
    5 ¶ Thus saith the Lord, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?
     
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