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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Feb 22, 2019.

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  1. Ran the Man

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    I'm white. I'm not anti white.
     
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    I don't think you understand. Just because someone wrote about this kind of stuff does not convince me of it. I believe in God's word not in the words of men.
    MB
     
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    Why are you starting with the 'Orthodox' Church? How much do you know of its history and the violence surrounding the Iconoclastic controversy? Are you aware that Russian, Serb and Greek Orthodox are making life very difficult for Baptists in their respective countries?

    Just saying.
     
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    When my wife and her family immigrated to the States back in 1990 as refugees, they landed in San Francisco. They looked for help from the two Russian speaking social service organizations in the City. The Jewish Welfare Association said it couldn't help them because they weren't Jewish. The Russian Orthodox agency said, "You can't be Russian. You're Baptist."
     
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    I didn’t say you weren’t white. The two are not mutually exclusive, or hadn’t you noticed? But we can go back and call it your anti-European bent instead. So, here we go…

    Well, I was trying to help you out of your anti-European dilemma. The Orthodox Church is Greek, so you’re right back to Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Did you not know this?

    The real problem is that every culture has its positives and negatives. This is one reason that the anti-European movement is ridiculous, as there is no perfect culture. To throw out all the good advancements simply because of some imperfections is insanely ignorant.

    You might as well go whole hog and get rid of God altogether like the rest of the world, for that is really what the movement is all about. Or hadn’t you noticed? You wouldn’t be the first.
     
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    So does that mean you are also rejecting the book of Romans?
     
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    And both Corinthians and Thessalonians along with Titus who was on Crete.
     
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    They do so because it's a known fact the Baptists cooperate with the CIA. Some of our missionaries serve two masters. Also they view Protestantism as every bit the heresy that you do them, so why would they let you in?
     
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    Who's rejecting? Its talking about God choosing to use the Gentiles in place of Israel. I love the book of Romans because it affirms freewill to me.
     
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    Ran, from what I can see you know little to nothing about the Evangelical Christian-Baptists of the former Soviet Union. The main thread of the EC-B grew from Russians saved through contacts with second and third generation German Baptist farmers in the Volga River Region in the 1850s. Technically, these farmers were not supposed to proselytize their Russian farmhands. However, every day the farmers would stop for an hour (Stunde) for Bible Study and prayer. Some of the hands gathered outside open windows and listened. In time, a few accepted Christ as Savior. However, they had to sneak into line to be baptized. Baptisms occurred in a nearby river or lake with candidates lined up on the shore.
    After the Revolution, they were cut off from outside contacts and developed on their own. PM me and I'll send you a translation of their Statement of Faith. I've been dealing with the emigre EC-B community for close to thirty years. The Houses of Prayer I attend have an invisible sign out front saying "You are entering the Russian Zone of Occupation."
    Which missionaries to Russia are you speaking of with CIA contacts?
     
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    Read the article on the net about Baptists and the CIA. The SBC ended up making a resolution forbidding missionaries from working with the CIA.
     
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    Ran, once again your ignorance of the background of the Board's membership is showing. If you took the time to look at my posts, you'd piece together the fact that I do not have an SBC background. My spiritual DNA runs through the Northern Baptists, through the CBA, and thence to the FBFI. So, SBC resolutions matter little to me or my ministry.
     
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    I never said you had a SBC background. Of you read my post, you'd know I didn't say that.
     
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    You didn't. However, my comment still stands. Unless the people involved served with Baptist Mid-Missions, Baptist World Missions, International Baptist Missions, I have no reason to know about the situation. FYI, my late father-in-law served time in prison because he would be an informer for the KGB.
     
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    You want to do away with everything that has to do with European Christianity.... I'm just pointing out your utter absurdity. That's all.
     
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    Its not absurd to me. When I was growing up, I used to hear the pastor quote Calvin or another person and my mind just said " oh dead white guy" and moved on. Their sayings never became a part of my witnessing or spiritual life. I was too busy in Proverbs to care.
     
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    The "No Church Movement" in Japan (Mukyoukai, 無教会) is certainly not a good example for your purpose. First of all, it is quite liberal theologically. I have a NT translation done by some of their scholars (and other liberals), and it lists "Epistles by Paul" and "Epistles Purported to Be By Paul" separately. And their ecclesiology is ridiculous. I mean really, churches are bad? The churches mentioned all through the NT?

    This movement has no power of God in it, and is decreasing due to the above factors and the fact that their leadership policies are ineffective.
     
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    Thanks, man, I appreciate your input. I wasn't that familar with their theology, as I stated before.
    Arigato gozaimasu.
     
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    Dou itashimashite. :) Or as I used to teach American kids, "Don't touch my mustache" (said real fast).
     
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    Just for the record, I know this movement well, having known members and having even done a translation job for one of them at one time. We were in Japan for 33 years.
     
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