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Featured Is "cussing" REALLY "cussing"?

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  1. robycop3

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    Virtually all obscene or profane words, phrases, & terms in American English were once in common, every day usage as non-onscene, with the exception, of course, of using God's names or titles wrongly. Even the "F-Bomb" was in everyday language, meaning "to pierce", with no sexual connotations. For example, the kestrel, one of the few birds that can fly against a stout wind, was called the "windpiercer, with the F-word in place of "-piercer". (This was in the Middle English of the 11 & 1200s AD.) The vulgar word for "feces" was in common use as such from the 1300s to the end of the 1500s. After that, it was taboo in British print.

    Otoh, the word "bloody", still in everyday use in the USA, became highly-offensive to British because it referred to "young bloods", rowdy young aristocrats much-disliked by most commoners. Seems it became offensive to British C. 1676 AD. And "back in the day, the use of the words "death, die(to cease living), devil, a pox upon thee", etc. were considered obscene.

    A word that's hovered between common & vulgar for a long time is "piss". When the KJV was made, it was common usage for "urine, to urinate". It came from Old French pissier, "to urinate". It's been replaced in newer English Bible versions with "urinate".

    The word "jazz" used to be used only for scatology pertaining to semen, and mostly by blacks. They also commonly used it for "stuff, a variety of things", or something they had no name for, such as the first jazz music, mostly played by whites. They started saying, "Listen to that jazz", & soon everyone began calling that music "jazz" & it became everyday usage.

    Once,in HS, we were asked to name a power we'd like to have that was real, or close to it. (Nothing such as Superman's powers was allowed.) I wrote, "the power to make a common word into a cussword, and/or the power to make a cussword acceptible for everyday use." (Got an "A" on my paper!)

    Now, while I won't use language considered obscene in American English, as it's considered by most to be very un-Christian, I wonder if otherwise such words are actually sinful?

    (BTW, "cussing" was a hard habit for me to break after 4 years in the Navy, where almost-all English-speaking sailors I was ever around "cussed like sailors". This included British, Canadians, many English-speaking Japanese & South Koreans, Australians, New Zealanders & English-speaking French. It took the HOLY SPIRIT'S power to free me from that habit.)
     
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    I think so. Vulgar language does change from era to era and generation to generation. So to me, it's NOT the constancy of the word in a lot of cases.

    But it IS the constancy of an evil heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." And "Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers"

    What we say - in person or online - according to the Bible should be for the edification of the listener and to impart grace. Even if one has to speak harshly or in an effort to change the seemingly unchangeable - the WORDS should impart grace.

    I used to cuss like a sailor. I'm ashamed to admit that. If it contained the name of God or Jesus, I did not. But everything else would flow from my mouth like a sewer water. I did it for three reasons.
    • shock value
    • anger
    • to amuse myself
    As I said - I am ashamed to say that, but I just wanted to make it clear that I KNOW why people do this and why it is wrong.

    I don't cuss anymore and haven't for a long time. I can't watch R-rated and several PG-rated movies anymore for that fact alone. I have to look up the parent guide on any movie I choose to watch and find out the profanity that's used.

    Words change, yes. The wicked hearts don't. No matter what word or phrases are peculiar to a particular group of people, when used AS cuss words - they are the wrong words to use. And it is sin.
     
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    I have found nothing in the Bible to support the idea that those who follow Jesus should not use “cuss words”.

    Some of the most harmful speech I have heard has not used a single “cuss word”. The absolute taboo of “cuss words” in churches demonstrates how syncretism can influence the morality taught by churches as well as influence translations themselves.
     
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    Thanx for your responses !

    After 4 years in the USN, "cussing" became everyday language for me, with no rancor nor evil intent. It was simply an everyday thing. The only thing I had any conscencce about was misusing God's names or titles. The words for bodily functions, parts, sex or sex acts, or slang names of various objects, bodily wastes, etc. were in everyday 'sailor talk' and in everyday thoughts about such things. Any present or former sailor will tell ya that.

    After I was saved, I realized such language was NOT kosher for Christians, so I endeavored to stop it, but it took the HOLY SPIRIT'S power, prayerfully requested for help, to finally break me of the habit. i know a few Christians who occasionally let a scatological word fly, but I hafta wonder if that person actually sinned, if he/she didn't say it in fronta an impressionable new or prospective Christian ?
     
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    What I get most upset about is when those who call themselves Christian repeatedly use “Jesus” or “God” as a cuss word because society has deemed other words to somehow be wrong.

    So, when society decides “Jesus” is a “cuss word”, will you follow along and stop using that word as well?

    Remember, as you have already pointed out, humans decided which words were “cuss words” - not the Bible and not God.

    As for impressionable new or prospective Christians, I think it is important to emphasize what Jesus truly considered to be important - not what “proper” society considers to be important. They are two different things. That being said, I would not want to use “cuss words” or any words solely for the purpose of offending someone.
     
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    So is this cussing?... We had a deacon Brother Thomas in our church and every time he was frustrated or upset about something he would say Hell Fire this and Hell Fire that... And sometimes us kids would hear because the sisters were in the kitchen and we were hanging around the men... And we would snicker and say... There goes Brother Thomas again:eek:... Then I'd hear my Dad who was also a Deacon say, calling Brother Thomas by his first name, Maston, I wish you would quit doing that... Well he did!... Until the next time... Brother Glen:)

    I'm sure he could have said worse than that, he was a former Navy man and my Dad was a former Marine, all I ever heard Dad say, even when he hit his thumb with a hammer... Wow, that smarts!
     
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    I think your history of "bloody" as a cuss word is incorrect. I've always thought it was a denigration of Jesus' bleeding on the cross.

    Also the use of "death to you" or "a pox on you" isn't cussing so much as it is putting a curse on you or your family.

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    I've thought about this subject periodically. What is it really about swearing that makes some feel they're speaking with more force or putting more strength into their speech. I wondered if this is really a western world thing? What about other places?

    I asked a friend of mine who was raised in the middle east do people swear there as in saying crude things. From his experience he stated no. The strongest thing they say about someone they don't like is pretty much that they're a donkey. So where did culture really get the swearing thing? Is it a spiritual thing inspired by the kingdom of darkness?

    I've always wondered why the name of our Lord has been used in vain. When people get mad they'll at times speak out Jesus name? Why would they consciously do that unless it was connected and inspired by wrong spirits to blaspheme the Lord...and some day having to give account for it.

    In regard to crude words I suspect it boosts one's sense of boldness and strength and makes them feel more bolder than they are...that they're a person without limitations or restrictions. Probably should be asked who one is seeking to impress.

    A great many people feel it shows lack of discipline and one using it doesn't come across as showing professionalism. Interesting that one did start this thread for even a few days ago I was talking to another friend who was very high ranking in the military . We talked about this and he thought vulgarity tends to spike ones emotions up in battle in other words to be ready for action. Don't know. To me vulgarity might take one's focus off what they should be thinking about to survive.
     
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    Ephesians 5:4 (NASB)
    and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
     
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    Lemme help you with the translation from late 16th / early 17th English into modern American.

    Ephesians 5:4 NLT
    Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.

    Now you can understand what it actually says.
     
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    Yes. It also appears that words like "Make America Great Again" are on track to becoming obscene. We are even starting to see that words like "Sir" or "Ma'am" can be considered obscene if said to the wrong person.
     
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    Watch the film linked by questdriven.

    In addition, cussing helps to relieve pain and stress. This has been proven repeatedly. Getting mad at someone you don't know reducing pain in this manner is like the rich man peeing on Lazarus.

    All cultures have "cussing". What is different is the social objection to the words. For example, Mohammed used a derogatory word in Arabic to refer to back people and I'm sure it is still used in the Middle East even though they will lie and say it's not.
     
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    Sir, you said you could find nothing in scripture telling us to avoid using inappropriate language. I did not mention exercising self control or using words to build others up.

    I was trying to help you.
     
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    NO.

    Words are only vocalizations. A fist in the face is different than even the f-bomb in the face.

    However I don't use "bad language" because of offense:

    1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

    But I do on occasion have some choice words cross my mind like in traffic, etc... rare but happens nonetheless.
     
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    Ephesians 4:29 comes to mind, ". . . Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, . . ." With that Jesus warning, ". . . for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. . . ." -- Matthew 12:34. And then James wrote, ". . . For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. . . ." -- James 3:2. And with that brings to mind Proverbs 16:3, ". . . Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established. . . ." And what Paul wrote the Colossian church, ". . . And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; . . ." -- Colossians 3:23. And the Philippian church, ". . . brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. . . ." -- Philippians 4:8.
     
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    Yes, I was thinking of my military experience. I was saved in the military and "bad language" was a way of life but became more sensitive to people after my release and cleaned up my communications because it seemed the right thing to do.

    I particularly remember the card games. :eek:
     
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    I remember riding with my sister and brother in law. Someone cut him off, and out of his mouth came "bless you brother" and I was thinking what a good example he was. But my sister explained, his choice of words were fine, but the indignation he was expressing was the problem. I am still working on that one. :)
     
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    As everyone can see that is not what I said. Inappropriate language and "cuss words" are two different things. Inappropriate language is far more vague and includes "Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes". "cuss words" are not these.
     
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