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Redemption and Mystery

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Oct 10, 2019.

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    In another thread, a poster used the word mystery in relation to God's role in Election, ostensibly as a pejorative. It seems that the word "mystery" is misunderstood from a theological perspective. Donald K. McKim describes "mystery" as, "God's eternal purposes of redemption were hidden until the incarnation of Jesus Christ and the sending of the Holy Spirit, who reveals this mystery to the church (Eph. 1:9, 3:3, 5, 9). God's essential nature is mystery and must be revealed." So, one part of the mystery of redemption is revealed to all; that redemption from sin is only possible through the Lord Jesus Christ. But God's essential nature is mystery and He does not reveal all things to His creation (Romans 11:34; 1 Corinthians 13:12; Ephesians 1:11).

    Election and predestination (interchangeable terms) is something God decreed after the counsel of His own will (Ephesians 1:11). At least one opponent of Election on this board calls this a mystery, and he is right. However, he uses the term to deride Election, whereas those who hold to Election see mystery as describing a sovereign God exercising His sovereignty without any thought of seeking the approval or input of His creation (Romans 9:20-21).
     
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    Most attacks on reformed are pejorative and come from a lack of understanding, but it's hard to even say that because they are going to come at us with one of their numbers instead of engaging the argument.
     
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    Who on this board does not hold to election? I think the real issue is how its defined not if it is in scripture. I also believe that saying people do not hold to election when the truth is they just see it differently is pejorative in nature and intentionally false.
     
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    I don't think anyone said that you didn't hold to election in your own definition. We were talking about mystery.
     
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    See the second paragraph of the op. I have been accused of that myself other times even after I posted support for it.

    Also, I believe mystery is over used and should be avoided unless scripture explicitly uses it.
     
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    I should have typed "the Mongergist view of Election" but I took a shortcut. About mystery, mystery applies when God does something and does not explain Himself. Ephesians 1:11 states He elected after the counsel of His own will. That God does not reveal to us the details of that is a mystery - something unrevealed.
     
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    This seems to be the case.

    . . . For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate . . . .-- Romans 8:28.

    . . . Elect according to the foreknowledge . . . . -- 1 Peter 1:2.
     
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