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Spiritual death is not a ceasing to exist.

 

Yes

 

How is physical death related to spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org

"Question: "How is physical death related to spiritual death?"

Answer: The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God. When understood in that way, the two concepts are very closely related, and both physical death and spiritual death are reflected in the very first references to death."


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I'm not always sure what other "Calvinists" say, but I would not characterize spiritual death as anything other than dead towards God, in our affections and worship...
That which He rightfully deserves from His creation, mankind, is denied to Him because of our willful and stubborn rebelliousness.

So, to me the charge of "dead, unable to do anything" is answered and clarified by "dead, unable and unwilling to be reconciled to God ( John 3:19-20 ) and unable to do anything that the Lord finds genuinely good ( Jeremiah 13:23, Ephesians 4:17-19 ) ".

All of our attempts at righteousness are as filthy rags ( Isaiah 64:6 ).
There is none good but God ( Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19 ).

When I see those ( and many more ), it causes me to re-evaluate what I would be if God had not saved me.

Once these Scriptural truths were drilled down into my understanding from years of careful study of His word, it gave me a very clear picture of why God needed to change my "heart" ( the seat of my affections and desires ) in order to have an eternal relationship me.

Again, I don't really know what other "Calvinists" teach, as I make it a point not to read anything outside of God's word, for the most part.

I do know that God's word tells us that no man can come to Jesus, unless the Father draws them ( John 6:44 ).
Looking at the very words and letting them sink in a bit, I see that Jesus is saying that no man CAN come.

That's all I need to know, and all I really should be trusting in...


God's perspective about me and what my condition was before He made me a new creature in Christ ( Ephesians 2:1-10, 2 Corinthians 5:17 ).

 

If God loves everyone ( as so many here seem to believe ), why would He blind the Jews to salvation ( John 12:37-41 ) through Jesus Christ, their Messiah?

In addition, why will the Gentiles hear?
Is it that they are somehow better?

No, MB...none are righteous and not one of us seeks God ( Romans 3:10-12, Psalms 10:4 ) in and of ourselves.

You are of course, free to believe that.
One thing I'd like you to think about, however...even those that teach "Prevenient Grace" for all men admit that outside of God's intervention, none would seek Him.

But "Total Inability" isn't just some made-up term without a foundation in Scriptural truth...
It's a doctrinal teaching that is derived from careful examination of every word of Christ, and every word of His apostles regarding the spiritual condition of man, prior to the new birth.

Again:

" No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." ( John 6:44 ).
" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 ).


May His grace be upon you, sir.

 

MB, the title of this post is: If we are ever spiritually dead we would be dead indeed

My question to you is: Have you ever been spiritually dead?

 

In the early 70s while driving to work one morning I was listening to J. Vernon McGee's broadcast. He explained the three types of death mentioned in the Bible.

Spiritual death occurred as a result of the disobedience (sin) of Adam and Eve. Rather than continuing the relationship with God by strolling in the garden, when God sought Adam for fellowship, Adam hide from God. Spiritual separation of the soul of man from the presence of God.

Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body.

Eternal death is the separation of the soul from God for eternity.

The remedy for death is a proper relationship with God, the giver of life.

When we, who were dead in trespasses and sin, are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit, our spiritual relationship with God is restored.

When we die physically, our soul is in paradise.

We thereby have eternal life.

This explanation by McGee had a amazing effect on my ability to understand scripture.

God is good! May He bless you as you study His word.

 

Who here has described any such thing?

 

What does this prove?

Also, if we are not spiritually dead, why do we need to be made alive in Christ?

 

Please consider the following.

[Eph 2:1-5 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;




What is spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org

“Question: "What is spiritual death?"

Answer: Death is separation. A physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God. In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will “surely die.” Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately; God must have had another type of death in mind—spiritual death. This separation from God is exactly what we see in Genesis 3:8. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they “hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God.” The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead.”

 

Two things:

1. The KJV is not the end all be all.
2. The verse is Ephesians 2:5. Also Col. 2:12-13,

This is why the KJV is outdated. You think that it doesn't say "Made alive with Christ." you are correct. In the KJV it says "quickened" and I bet you did not know that word means, "to give or restore life to."

This just is a proven point that people need an updated translation because many people do not know/understand the old English and they do not take the time to look it up and understand it.

 

Um, you ignored 90% of my post and went off on a diatribe about the KJV. I would suggest you read my post again because I did, in fact, show were we are made alive in Christ. You simply ignored it.