Featured Thanksgiving and its Calvinist/Arminian Roots

Stuff in brackets is yours? Hilarious!

 

I am unclear about what persecution that there was in Holland. In fact, lefties charge that the Pilgrims escaped persecution in Holland only to start it here. But I think that the reason for leaving Holland is that they were the same mess of hedonists then that they are today.

 

I think Dave's research is very similar to my own.
To me, he's hitting some of the right books.

As I see it, you may be confusing the Massachusetts Bay Colony with what was founded at Plymouth, MA.

The two were entirely separate, had separate charters from the King of England, and their treatment of the natives was also, entirely different.
I suggest digging into the stories of the colonists themselves, if they can still be found.

Again, and I cannot point it out enough, please dig deeper into the histories of both colonies.
I think that what you will find is, despite their both being a mess as mere men, one thing starts to shine through...

The Pilgrims who settled Plymouth in 1620 suffered for their faith and only wanted to find a place where they could live and worship the Lord according to what they saw in God's word, and to live at peace with all men.
The Puritans who settled Boston and the surrounding areas in roughly 1629-1630, were a bit different.

 

I don't think that the Pilgrims at Plymouth were guilty of anything wrong--they were saved by Squanto--but the lefties say that they were oppressive and that is why they don't give thanks. The left is no good and they lie. I am sick of them. Abraham Lincoln started the federal holiday during the civil war, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt fixed it on the fourth Thursday of November to satisfy retail interests. So the left is complaining about a holiday that dates back to about 1863 as a federal holiday. They are trying to revise the history of the feast of 1620 and they are lying. This has gone on for several years now and it is very boring. If the left feels neglected because no one likes them, they can find free meals all over the country on Thanksgiving so that they don't have to be alone. Already, the American people have decided to begin Christmas shopping on Thursday so the holiday has long since lost any significance that Abraham Lincoln tried to give it. I suppose that you can say that FDR first scheduled the Lincoln proclamation to align with commercial interests. FDR was a leftie and a demagogue. The groups who hate Thanksgiving are Muslims, communists, vegans, homosexuals, socialists, and other leftists. They have everything. They are protesting Black Friday because they think that people should not buy anything new as it causes climate change. Of course, they want to be rich and extravagant but they want to assume power over you and reduce you to penury.

 

You have given one example as far as I know. The history says that they left because of poverty and the licentious Dutch, who are still licentious 400 years later.

 

Okay, Mr. Dave, time to look at the roots of Christmas.

 

Not all of them were. Probably less percentage in the USA today.
C B Jewson, who wrote a history of Baptists in Norfolk, said that the dissenters from England who took refuge in the Netherlands attendind Sunday services beginning at 8.00am and finishing after midday. They were Presbyterians. When they returned to England they were still Presbyterians but determined to study the scriptures on Church government, etc. They soon discovered Baptism, and became Particular Baptists. All Baptists in Norfolk were Particular Baptists, the General Baptists arrived later from outside the county. Some of my ancestors were members of St Mary's Baptist Church in Norwich. This Church sent delegates to the 1689 conference. (Is that the correct word?

The church was called St Mary's Baptist Church as it was on a street called St Mary's Plain. The building was burnt down in the mid 1930's and rebuilt shortly before the war, but within a few years was completely destroyed by Hitler's bombing. It is now called Norwhich Central Baptist Church and is anything but Particular.

Two of my great great Aunts who attended that church, emigrated to Australia about 1870 and one became the first missionsry for the Queensland Baptist Mission, and served in India, now Bangla Desh, for over 30 years.

 

1689Dave, this thread is one of the reasons I joined.
The 'free-will' crowd through Evangelicalism has been rewriting and destroying Christian history, much like Communists, fascists, etc. And now, look at the debased false Christianity we are drowning in, mired in ignorance.
With myself being so close to Plymouth MA, and believing the snow-job of the 'free-will' crowd all these years just makes it sting all the more.