Apparitions of Mary at Medjugorje

[Deadworm]

Particular: Enlighten us.
The first great awakening saw 3/4 of the colonists come to faith and walk in faith afterwards. Pastors around the colonies discipled these new believers.

You are of course referring to my point that no Baptist revival rivals the mass conversions at Medjugorje. OK, I'll grant your request for enlightenment by pointing out to you:
(1) that central figures in the First Great Awakening were George Whitefield (an Anglican) and Jonathan Edwards a Congregationaalist;
(2) that this Awakening blossomed under Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, and, yes, some Baptists, but was NOT primarily a Baptist Awakening.

Who is tracking the faith of these people and their perseverance in the faith? Who is discipling them.

I realize that few Baptists watch videos not approved by the Baptist theological Ghetto, but do trouble yourself to actually watch the posted video on Medjugorje, so that you can discover what we are actually discussing and do google the various testimonial sites on Medjugorje conversions.

 

[Particular]

Particular: Enlighten us.
The first great awakening saw 3/4 of the colonists come to faith and walk in faith afterwards. Pastors around the colonies discipled these new believers.

You are of course referring to my point that no Baptist revival rivals the mass conversions at Medjugorje. OK, I'll grant your request for enlightenment by pointing out to you:
(1) that central figures in the First Great Awakening were George Whitefield (an Anglican) and Jonathan Edwards a Congregationaalist;
(2) that this Awakening blossomed under Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, and, yes, some Baptists, but was NOT primarily a Baptist Awakening.

Who is tracking the faith of these people and their perseverance in the faith? Who is discipling them.

I realize that few Baptists watch videos not approved by the Baptist theological Ghetto, but do trouble yourself to actually watch the posted video on Medjugorje, so that you can discover what we are actually discussing and do google the various testimonial sites on Medjugorje conversions.

Did you read Religious Affections?

 

[Walter]

I keep reading Baptists stating that all apparitions of Mary are satanic in nature. Apparitions continually show that The Blessed Mother points the way to Christ in her messages/example. If they didn’t, it would certainly be another red flag for me as well. Would Satan be involved in pointing people to Christ?

 

[David Kent]

"If Medjugorje ultimately proves to be deception, then we will know that major outpouring of the Holy Spirit. agape love, and healing power may be thoroughly contaminated by the demonic."

There have always been healings in Pagan religions.

 

[David Kent]

I keep reading Baptists stating that all apparitions of Mary are satanic in nature. Apparitions continually show that The Blessed Mother points the way to Christ in her messages/example. If they didn’t, it would certainly be another red flag for me as well. Would Satan be involved in pointing people to Christ?

But to a false Christ, the wafer god which is supposed to be the entire body and blood of Christ. That is your god - the wafer.

 

[Particular]

I keep reading Baptists stating that all apparitions of Mary are satanic in nature. Apparitions continually show that The Blessed Mother points the way to Christ in her messages/example. If they didn’t, it would certainly be another red flag for me as well. Would Satan be involved in pointing people to Christ?

This is a completely self-created assertion. Nowhere in scripture do we see any apparitions of saints, except when a witch is given the opportunity to call up Samuel from the dead. In that instance God's rebuke of Saul is clear and God removes all blessing from Saul.

The Bible says that "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
~ 2 Timothy 3:16-17

God reveals himself in scripture and gives faith to those whom he saves. Salvation is by grace through faith, it is not by apparition of Mary. Having to have an apparition in order to believe means you don't believe by grace, through faith.
If you believe because you have an experience and see an apparition, it's not Christ you trust in. It's Mary you trust in.
Satan has no problem with people going to hell because they placed their faith in Mary. Mary didn't atone for their sins. Mary can't save them. "Worship Mary all you want," says Satan, "I'll see you in hell."

 

[David Kent]

"If Medjugorje ultimately proves to be deception, then we will know that major outpouring of the Holy Spirit. agape love, and healing power may be thoroughly contaminated by the demonic."

According to Jesus demonic power doesn't leave room for healing under evil motivation.

The Roman god of medicine and healing is Esculap or Esculapius. You will find his sign on many abulances throughout the world, the X with a serpent down the centre. Usually in blue, but I have also seen it in Red, In paganism Esculap was also called the life giving serpent. (Satan) You will also find this serpent on the sign for pharmacies, usually in green. You will also see it at the feet of the so called Mary in many statues.

 

[Adonia]

But to a false Christ, the wafer god which is supposed to be the entire body and blood of Christ. That is your god - the wafer.

If you are correct, then all of us who follow Christian orthodoxy and it's teaching about the Holy Eucharist are going straight to hell and we will see the billions of other Christian orthodox believers who are already there. If we are right however, then you will have some explaining to do about why you rejected this most basic truth of Christianity and maybe you will be the one who ends up in the netherworld because of your disbelief.

 

[Adonia]

It's Mary you trust in.
Satan has no problem with people going to hell because they placed their faith in Mary

And there you go again with your lies and false charges against us. It is quite unbecoming of person who claims to be a Christian to spread lies and falsehoods against others, don't you think? Bearing false witness against others is a sin.

 

[Particular]

And there you go again with your lies and false charges against us. It is quite unbecoming of person who claims to be a Christian to spread lies and falsehoods against others, don't you think? Bearing false witness against others is a sin.

I'm not the one promoting an apparition of Mary. Yet, you keep bringing up Mary, Mary, Mary. Seems that Jesus is secondary to the supposed apparition of Mary. So, Mary worship is an accurate statement when it's all about Mary.
It's interesting to how the Roman Catholic Church lifts up Mary as perfect, when the Bible never does such a thing. Yep, Mary worship is accurate.
Tell us about meeting Jesus. Mary is just a human like you and me.

 

[Adonia]

I'm not the one promoting an apparition of Mary. Yet, you keep bringing up Mary, Mary, Mary. Seems that Jesus is secondary to the supposed apparition of Mary. So, Mary worship is an accurate statement when it's all about Mary.
It's interesting to how the Roman Catholic Church lifts up Mary as perfect, when the Bible never does such a thing. Yep, Mary worship is accurate.
Tell us about meeting Jesus. Mary is just a human like you and me.

I don't keep bringing up the woman whom the Bible says will be forever known as "Blessed". In fact, I don't believe in this particular apparition of the Blessed Mother one bit. I have always said sometimes my fellow Catholics elevate her too much, while other Christians treat her as just a disposable baby carrier. Surely there is a certain level of respect she deserves as the Mother of the Incarnate Word. In the final analysis, only Jesus saves - no one else.

 

[Particular]

I don't keep bringing up the woman whom the Bible says will be forever known as "Blessed". In fact, I don't believe in this particular apparition of the Blessed Mother one bit. I have always said sometimes my fellow Catholics elevate her too much, while other Christians treat her as just a disposable baby carrier. Surely there is a certain level of respect she deserves as the Mother of the Incarnate Word. In the final analysis, only Jesus saves - no one else.

We treat her with the same respect as any human. She was made in the image of God. She was morally corrupt due to Adam's sin. God chose to graciously use her for his glory and record it in scripture. We recognize God's use of Mary in coming into the world in human form. She was blessed by God to fulfill the good work God had prepared for her.

What we don't do is lift her status up to a level of sinless perfection and one who shows herself in apparitions today. These mystical claims are made by people who want to live by fantastical claim rather than by faith.

 

[Revmitchell]

Mary hasn't shown up anywhere. People are willing to believe all kinds of fanciful stuff.

 

[Walter]

No we don’t worship Mary. We honor her only in as much as God honored her, sending the Angel to inform her that in God’s sight she was full of graces, and asking her to be Mother of His divine Son and redeemer of humankind. Amongst many billions of women throughout time, Mary was the woman God raised to the position of Mother of the divine Son
The honor is bestowed by God Himself, and we simply respect God’s assessment and God’s choice of Mary. Would it not be an insult to God to reject His predilection!

We acknowledge and follow Jesus’ lead in valuing her intercession, her prayer for us.
Jesus demonstrated that He valued Mary’s intercession, and responded positively to it, even when it wasn’t convenient to, and in his plan. See John 2 verses 1-11

When Mary put in her gentle request for saving the hosts of the wedding feast at Cana from an embarrassing social disaster, (as it would have been in that culture if a host family ran out of provisions at a wedding feast) though Jesus protested that it didn’t concern Him and it wasn’t yet time for miracle, He nevertheless worked the miracle at her request and trust, and turned water into wine so that the hosts did not run out of wine.

If it is acceptable to Jesus for His Mother to intercede for anyone, why would we not accept His example.

We love her whom Jesus loves dearly and whom the Father chose out of all women throughout time to be Mother of His divine Son.

 

[Walter]

Mary hasn't shown up anywhere. People are willing to believe all kinds of fanciful stuff.

Overwhelming evidence that you are wrong

 

[Revmitchell]

Overwhelming evidence that you are wrong

There is no evidence that im wrong. Nothing but mystical superstitious hokum

 

[Particular]

No we don’t worship Mary. We honor her only in as much as God honored her, sending the Angel to inform her that in God’s sight she was full of graces, and asking her to be Mother of His divine Son and redeemer of humankind. Amongst many billions of women throughout time, Mary was the woman God raised to the position of Mother of the divine Son
The honor is bestowed by God Himself, and we simply respect God’s assessment and God’s choice of Mary. Would it not be an insult to God to reject His predilection!

We acknowledge and follow Jesus’ lead in valuing her intercession, her prayer for us.
Jesus demonstrated that He valued Mary’s intercession, and responded positively to it, even when it wasn’t convenient to, and in his plan. See John 2 verses 1-11

When Mary put in her gentle request for saving the hosts of the wedding feast at Cana from an embarrassing social disaster, (as it would have been in that culture if a host family ran out of provisions at a wedding feast) though Jesus protested that it didn’t concern Him and it wasn’t yet time for miracle, He nevertheless worked the miracle at her request and trust, and turned water into wine so that the hosts did not run out of wine.

If it is acceptable to Jesus for His Mother to intercede for anyone, why would we not accept His example.

We love her whom Jesus loves dearly and whom the Father chose out of all women throughout time to be Mother of His divine Son.

Full of Grace's?
Grace is not some kind of accumulative point system. It's not like a standard of measurement. It's not like filling up a gas tank with petroleum to full.
Such a concept of grace is found nowhere in scripture. Instead, we see God saying, "My grace is sufficient for you," when Paul asks for his thorn in the flesh to be removed.
Mary, like us all, was given sufficient grace for the moment, meaning that her own sinfulness was pardoned by the gracious will of God.
There was nothing special about Mary. Mary acknowledges this. But, God chose to graciously pardon and over rule her sin so that she would be used by God to bring God to man in human flesh.
We remember and learn from Mary that sinful humanity is humbly subject to the will of the Sovereign and Supreme King of Creation. What God wills...takes place.
The whole concept of "full of graces" is a heretical concoction of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Deadworm]

There is no evidence that im wrong. Nothing but mystical superstitious hokum

Typical Baptist pontification offered as a lazy excuse for being a poor listener and a poor dialogue partner who lacks the courtesy and integrity to actually watch the video that provides the evidence you claim does not exist. Wake up and smell the coffee! I will watch any Baptist propaganda video you wish, if you would just watch what you unfairly dismiss. I'm wondering if it is even possible to have an honest and productive conversation with a Baptist.

 

[Yeshua1]

Typical Baptist pontification offered as a lazy excuse for being a poor listener and a poor dialogue partner who lacks the courtesy and integrity to actually watch the video that provides the evidence you claim does not exist. Wake up and smell the coffee! I will watch any Baptist propaganda video you wish, if you would just watch what you unfairly dismiss. I'm wondering if it is even possible to have an honest and productive conversation with a Baptist.

Mary is just in Heaven as a saved sinner right now, and she has NO special activity going on with her aince arriving there! She does not mediate/intercede/make appearances etc!

 

[Adonia]

Mary hasn't shown up anywhere. People are willing to believe all kinds of fanciful stuff.

Yeah, you mean like a Jewish virgin who knew not a man giving birth? That this born infant when once grown up was killed and then rose from the dead? Some might say those two things are quite fanciful.