Strange Responses, Unfinished Discussion

In a recent thread that was closed abruptly, many good discussion points were left on the table . so to speak.
Let's provide answers and further discussion to the strange responses and unfinished discussion points.

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I did not say that, Spurgeon did not say that.
What did we say?
A person is a Christian at the point of regeneration.
A new Christian may or may not be able to give a solid definition of the trinity, justification, propitiation, reconciliation,elect , biblical foreknowledge ,eschatology, etc.
That does not change his standing before God.
That does not change the doctrine at all.
In time God will allow him to understand what he needs to be a witness,and obey My.28.
The closer he gets to truth, the more effective he will be.
God being Sovereign is able to use even the joy, excitement, and zeal of a novice.

This answer should have made it clear enough to where we discuss the issue in the OP. however it seemed to be taken away from the original track.

Strange response#2

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This was answered as not one elect soul will be driven away from the truth of God by such preaching Spurgeon preached and expounded a full gospel loaded with Christ-centered teaching.

Strange Response #3

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Calvinism , correctly and biblically understood is indeed the gospel.
Spurgeon explained what he meant by that, and The OP. was trying to get at it, before being abruptly halted.
If people do not agree they are able to offer an attempted response, using the bible would be nice.

Strange response#4

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Neither Spurgeon or the OP. suggested any such thing. Rather they made a positive stand and declaration of truth. You can agree or disagree, but give scripture in your answer.

Strange response#5

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Spurgeon and the OP. were attacked. The position is, Calvinism correctly preached and taught as it takes the whole bible into account. This was left out of these strange responses, it is the "gospel"according to the scriptures"

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I have never once met any Calvinist anywhere who was ashamed of what he believed, what an odd thought. This was not really dealing with the OP.

Strange Response#7

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Spurgeons teaching was very thought provoking. The OP. was also designed to be thought provoking. No one addressed the OP. directly but instead offered starnge responses that seemed as if they were not concerned with discussing the OP, but rather the objections were the source of the animosity.

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The OP. was set up for examination and discussion. Those who do not agree sought to undermine and change what exactly was being discussed. It can be a sucessful thread if correctly developed as will be shown.

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Spurgeon , or the OP, itself did not say anyone was ignorant. This strange response was injected into the thread and avoids dealing with the thread itself.

Strange response #10

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There is only one gospel. Again, Calvinism correctly preached taught and understood is concerned with the one true gospel alone, there is no other gospel revealed in scripture as it speaks to every aspect of it..." according to the scriptures"

 

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This is a discussion/ debate forum.
What does this even mean? CRAM ONES UNDERSTANDING DOWN SOMEONE's THROAT?

Does that mean if biblical discussion and teaching are being offered and people struggle to attempt to respond to it, It is cramming it down anyone's throat?

People on here can read, or not read any thread. No one forces them to read. Where does this idea of force come from?
If they cannot answer, they cannot. If they cannot maybe they should not be so vociferous in objecting if they cannot offer biblical correction.

 

Strange response #12
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An echo chamber?
If millions of Christians have believed these truths, should it be a surprise that like-minded brothers contribute and offer biblical support one to another?

Others do not see it the same, okay. they can have their say.
That most of it is accusatory and have mostly no scriptural basis cannot be laid at the feet of those who offer scripture

 

Strange response# 13

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The maker of the OP, was not offended at all. Sounds like the poster was struggling as the OP. was not addressed once again.

Strange response #14

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The nature of discussion and debate is that differences can be laid out, questioned, and discussed/debated.
Again the poster needs to explain...What do you mean by forcing someone to drink your look-aid?

What does that even mean? Who is forcing anyone? What does this have to do with the OP?

 

Then we have Strange response #15;

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This poster has not made any discussion of the OP which started this way;
When we ask what is the gospel, the good news, several answers can be offered.
We could say;

1.Jesus......he is indeed great news, but if someone has not heard of Him would they really understand how he is good news?

2.Jesus saves.....that also is great news, but the question then is saves who? saves what? why is it necessary?

3.Jesus saves sinners....also good news, but saves them from what?

4.Jesus saves sinners in Christ. nice, now what does it mean to be In Christ?

5.Jesus saves elect sinners given to Him by the Father..great news, when and how did this take place,etc

This list can be expanded such as this;
6] Jesis is a Great High Priest

7] Jesus is the one mediator between God and man

8]Jesus is the perfect surety for those elected by God

9]Jesus has completed the once for all time sacrifice accepted by God the father for those who are sanctified.

10] Jesus is now speaking from heaven through His word.

This topic is far from asinine as claimed, and Spurgeon and others did not need to "grow up", whatever that is supposed to mean.
How about we address the OP, or not.

No one is being forced to respond,have anything crammed down their throats, drink kool aid or any other such strange objections.

 

ITL,
i started the thread to develop the OP, it never really got off the ground.
Sometimes questions are asked, but then the thread closes before answers can be offered.
When you first find BB online it says a welcoming community where issues can be discussed.
i am trying to see that is what takes place, an open discussion of ideas.

Do you think ideas are meant to be discussed, ITL?
is it okay if we differ?
Could you answer the Op which was my last post, slightly expanded?
the question is where do you think the statements from 1-10 are good news? or do you think it takes more than one or two sentences to communicate the gospel.
this was never developed or answered the first time around.

 

This is correct once again....Debate is often lively and spirited.
Any dead fish can float down stream.

 

In post #6...i listed only ten things. When i did this in a class I listed 15, or 20.
When we ask what is the gospel, the good news, several answers can be offered.
We could say;

1.Jesus......he is indeed great news, but if someone has not heard of Him would they really understand how he is good news?

2.Jesus saves.....that also is great news, but the question then is saves who? saves what? why is it necessary?

3.Jesus saves sinners....also good news, but saves them from what?

4.Jesus saves sinners in Christ. nice, now what does it mean to be In Christ?

5.Jesus saves elect sinners given to Him by the Father..great news, when and how did this take place,etc

This list can be expanded such as this;
6] Jesis is a Great High Priest

7] Jesus is the one mediator between God and man

8]Jesus is the perfect surety for those elected by God

9]Jesus has completed the once for all time sacrifice accepted by God the father for those who are sanctified.

10] Jesus is now speaking from heaven through His word.
The point was, every one sentence has good news contained in it, but might need more than one or two lines to be shown to be the good news.

That is what Spurgeon was getting at, and i think the OP helps us to formulate our own answer.
ITl. if you go back and read the close post, No one attempted to deal with the OP, itself.
The strange responses steered away from it.

 

Yes it was...the thought being...Calvinism "correctly understood. explained, and taught.
the idea being...what is the gospel? how much explanation is needed? look at the list 1-10...are those statements good news, by themself?