The Abiogenesis of DNA: Scientific Law and Semiotics

more creationist drivel.
Advocates of ID like to equate abiogenesis to "then a miracle happens" because if they can convince the ignorant that abiogenesis is invoking a "miracle", then they can invoke miracles too under the guise of a "whats good for the goose" scenario.
Of course, reality is quite different than they portray it. There are no "miracles" in abiogenesis research.
Abiogenesis is based on organic chemistry, and there is nothing "miraculous" about it.
Experiments in abiogenesis research have already created amino acids. cell walls, many of the blocks of RNA like cytosine and uracil, etc and none of this required any miracles. Just put the organic chemicals in a warm little pond and natural processes like evaporation and sunlight will cause the chemicals to bond together all on their own.
This is of course entirely different from what they do, which is simply invoke an invisible designer as a sad and unscientific alternative without a single shred of evidence for that miraculous intervention.
Invoking God of the gaps as they do is not only unscientific, but its also horrible theology, as once you fill in those gaps with new knowledge, your God just keeps getting smaller and smaller until he's completely unnecessary.

 

And not surprisingly, none of this is correct either.
DNA is NOT like written language.. Its not even close.
DNA is a long chain molecule. And that molecule is a mish mash of copy errors, viral parasites, and duplication events.
There are many segments of DNA that are highly inefficient in many organisms exactly because it wasn't designed. Rather, genes which formed previously that fulfill one function in a cell, get duplicated and later co opted to perform other functions, and because of this, the new functions are far from optimal. Now, no "designer" designs complex systems this way..

People who are experts in DNA don't see design.. They see millions of years of trial and error.. millions of years of jury rigging like DNA is stealing parts from a junk yard and making use of whatever it can find.
Any "designer" that was supposed to be an "intelligent" one would be a heck of a lot smarter than this..

 

@KeyserSoze you have yet to answer, and it is pertinent to this topic as well. Do you believe there is a God? Did Christ come back to life from being dead? Do miracles occur?

 

Actually yes there is.. As far as SCIENCE is concerned, there is a VERY good reason to deny the possibility that "a creator God intervened"
The reason is, "there is NO evidence of any such intervening"

 

Of course you still have the problem of how did everything get here in the first place.

 

Ive asked similar questions and he ignored them also

 

I don't know why he refuses to answer those questions. Of course, if he is going to be logically consistent with himself he has to say no he doesn't believe in God.

 

although i was raised Catholic, i left the faith shortly after my Confirmation. (I had a bad habit of asking the Nuns complex questions that they didn't really have solid answers for. lol)
I've since spent my time doing various research on these scientific and philosophical matters.
As for "is there a God"..? I don't really know.. I never say there isn't one, nor do i claim there is one.
Would it be nice if there was one..? sure.. But i dont like to let "what i'd like" interfere with what might actually be reality.
Simply put, my own wishful thinking isnt really going to make something true,just because i'd like it to be..
As for "miracles" or "Jesus rising from the grave"..? Call me skeptical..
I've been on earth for 52 years now.. and i've yet to see a 'miracle".. (other than Selma Hayek at this years Golden Globes.. yowza.. lol)

 

Its sciences job to offer up plausible explanations for what we observe in the natural world.
Science can of course only explain things it has evidence for.
Now, we all can of course make philosophical claims as to how this universe came to be, and that's perfectly fine..
As long as we all realize that such ideas aren't scientific.
At the end of the day, the universe exists.. Its here.. Now, would it be nice if a deity created it and when i died i got to met him.?
Sure, it'd be great.. but of course i have no scientific evidence that such is the case..

 

Why do you rely solely on science when you know science does not answer everything and cannot answer everything?

 

I rely on the science because of its testable nature.
I try to be a realist.
So many people in this world believe things simply because they like the idea.. or want something to be true.
But at the end of the day , all they may very well be accomplishing is self delusion.

For example,my whole childhood, i spend every weekend at my grandmothers house where she would make me these awesome spaghetti dinners.
Now, shes since left this earth. Would it be great if when i died, that i got to see her again..? sure..
and if there is god, maybe i could get some of that great pasta from her too..
But is such a belief rational..? Sure, i'd be fantastic.. but am all i really doing is engaging in self delusion..
simply because i'd love for it to happen..?

 

Why do you identify yourself as Christian in your profile? Clearly you are not one.

 

When i signed up , there were only a few choices available.
So, having been raised Catholic, the "non baptist Christian" choice seemed the closest of the few available choices..

 

But you do not claim to be a Christian now?

 

i just went back to look at the choices available, and one of the choices is "seeking Christ".
Since i spend all my time "seeking" new information, i decided to change Non Baptist Christian, to that..
That may be the more accurate of the 2 available after Jewish and baptist are removed from the equation.. : )

 

So I guess my question is why are you really here? What purpose to come and oppose people you know will not agree with you and try to deny God? What is your agenda?