Monergists who are not Calvinists

I don't think it is an either/or situation, it is a both/and. You would not have election without Christ and the Cross, and you would not have the Cross and Christ without election. But election is not dependent upon belief, belief is dependent upon election. Your election was completed in the action of the limited atonment (I know you don't agree with L). Christ saved a specific people. Those people, the elect, will believe because they will have the desire given to them by the Father to believe.

 

George you are twisting things and ignoring Scripture.

 

Well said.

 

That is the ultimate basis in the Bible. Has nothing to do with Calvinism. God chose a people before Christ came to earth. That is clear in Scripture.

 

Not quite. The parallel here creates a false (unintended) impression.
When we say it's Christ, we don't mean that Christ elected people unto salvation. We mean that we are elected because we placed our faith in Christ.
So to say that in Calvinism the basis is the Father is a little misleading (again, unintended, and I do get the point you were trying to make).
The basis is unknown. No Calvinist knows why the Father elected him. (Maybe because of their great humility).

 

You make it sound like the difference is merely chronological. It's not. The difference is causal.
Not only were you, as a Calvinist, chosen before Christ came, but were chosen apart from Christ.

 

Never helpful those replies unless you tell us why.
Besides, with all the posts on the subject by now, it's clear to all.
It's now a couple of people that suddenly see the problem.

 

No, as Jesus stated that all whom the father gave unto Him he shall forever save!

 

Here's one example

 

There is no problem. You are just trying to lump multiple things together into one big thing without the necessitated distinctions.

 

What do you mean by this?

 

Already addressed that. That is logically wrong.
If you were elected TO BE IN Christ it's because at the time of your election you were OUTSIDE of Christ.
Again, if God elected you to put you in a can, it's because you were outside the can when you were chosen.

 

Again, unhelpful general comments.

 

This is only partially true. He elected us for his glory and his good pleasure.

 

Again, you are trying to mesh certain things together without the necessary distinctions.

 

In case you missed it, it's so astonishing that it shocked more than one, so here it is again:

 

Chosen by God to be saved and in Christ!

 

You're playing semantics now. That breaks down any meaningful conversation.
We're not discussing the end/purpose of the election, but the basis of it, as you know right well.
Why is it that YOU were elected to that end but not ANOTHER?
Calvinists say: it's not because of Christ.

 

I've already addressed in this thread what those things are.