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Come on, Agedman! You know better than that. Isaiah 53:10. 'Yet is pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.'

 

The Pst theory allows for those other 2 to also be present.... In fact, Jesus had to appease the wrath of God first, in order that those others could be accomplished!

 

My simple point was in those Fundamentals, that would have been their agreed upon Atonement view!

 

The Lord Jesus willingly bore the due penalty for our sins against Holy God, was not being abused, or God child abusing him as some against Pst maintain!

 

We don't blame Him; we praise Him, along with the Son and the Spirit.

'What was it, O our God,
Led You to give Your Son,
To yield Your well-beloved
For us by sin undone?
Unbounded love led You to give
Your well-loved Son that we might live.

What led the Son of God
To leave His throne on high,
To shed His precious blood,
To suffer and to die?
Unbounded love for sinners lost
Led Him to suffer at such cost.

What moved You to impart
Your Spirit from above,
That He might fill our heart
With peace and heavenly love?
Unbounded love moved You to send
The Spirit as our guide and friend.

What love to You we owe,
Our God for all Your grace!
Our hearts may well o'erflow
In everlasting praise:
Then let us raise our songs on high
Such boundless love to magnify.' [Ann Gilbert, 1782-1866]

 

It pleased God the father to Himself crush and bruse His own Son, and Jesus was willing to endure that for our salvation sake!

 

God treated Jesus while on that Cross as a Lost sinner, as Jesus experienced the Hell of eternal separation on that Cross!

 

Five Fundamentals of the Faith
"And those who disagree with any of the above doctrines are not Christians at all. Rather, they are the true heretics."

 

I put my son to grief, but didn’t have to directly strike him. I gave him an unpleasant task.

That is exactly why the Lord prayed , “not my will...” in the garden.

That humankind still boast that God smote with wrath the Son in some manner of vengeance is robbing me of my shame and blaming God for my behavior.

 

Jesus experience exactly same thing on that Cross lost sinners do forever!

 

Prove it!

No place does Scripture present such fantasy.

Psalms 22 which gives us the very thoughts of the Redeemer on the cross, don’t even hint as such!

 

God did not inflect that upon Jesus in spite, or as child abuse, as Jesus agreed to do it!

 

Jesus was my sin bearer, he received form God the Father exactly in my place the due judgement and separation for my sins!

 

Isaiah 53 certainly does!

 

He seems to see God indirectly part of the Cross, as only humans placed Him on it and killed Him!

 

That offers nothing substantial to your proof. You need to cite three proofs.

Unless you can show 1) by OT practice within the atonement sacrificial system God’s wrath directed toward the actual sacrifice, and unless you can 2) demonstrate by prophetic statements such was to be done, and unless you can 3) show by NT accounts that it took place, then there is no support for God pouring wrath out upon the Son.

 

As has been shown REPEATEDLY it does not!

Isaiah actually REFUTES PST, by stating ”We esteemed...”.
But that was NOT the position God took concerning His crucifixion.

 

Again, you must provide Scripture proof.

Over and over throughout the decades I have heard much failed descriptions of the work, and, when confronted by Scripture authority were each found profoundly lacking in truth.

 

'It pleased the LORD to bruise Him.'

 

Again, as a father, my son was bruised.

When I appointed a load he was to carry.

The bruises, the wounds, ... might have come by completing the required task.

But, such a reference does NOT appoint wrath or vengeance.