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Baptist Faith & Message
- Thread starter Salty
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Justification. When God pronounces our sins as forgiven
Sanctification. The ongoing Xian life
Glorification. We will be changed in the future
Sanctification. The ongoing Xian life
Glorification. We will be changed in the future
Yet another utterly bogus claim. You are just blowing smoke. We have been spiritually glorified, Romans 8:30, and we will be physically glorified at Christ's second coming, Philippians 3:20-21.
NET Bible Philippians 3:21
who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.
Returning to the nits in the article 4.
1 "Whole man" apparently refers to the fact both our spirit and body are redeemed.
2) There is no salvation apart from God crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as Lord.
3) Regeneration occurs after God credits our faith and places us into Christ. Faith before regeneration.
4) "Commitment of the entire personality to Him" should read "commitment of our entire personality to Him."
5) Justification occurs after God credits our faith and puts us into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration.
6) Sanctification initially refers to God setting a person apart in Christ (the sanctification by the Spirit) and subsequently refers to our progressive sanctification where we are conformed to the image of Christ.
7) We are first glorified spiritually as a new creation in Christ, and will be glorified physically at our bodily redemption, so glorification is a two step process Romans 8:30, Philippians 3:20-21
Noah Hirsch
Active Member
We have our sins forgiven when we are justified, but the definition of justification is not having our sins pronounced forgiven. Justification is being declared righteousness in God’s sight, not having our sins imputed against us, but having Christ’s perfect righteousness credited to our account. More than just our sins being forgiven happens when we are justified. I do not see anything in the Baptist Faith and Message that denies the biblical doctrine of justification. Perhaps, it could be understood by those who affirm it in an unbiblical way, but I see nothing in the Baptist and Message that necessitates a belief in an unbiblical doctrine or understanding of justification. I do not know where it is in the Baptist Faith and Message that it is said that regeneration comes after faith. I see nothing explicit in the Baptist Faith and Message that of necessity must be taken in a sense contrary to the doctrine of regeneration taught in the New Hampshire Confession of Faith (1833), which was in fact a Baptist confession of faith with a Calvinistic soteriology. Certainly, somethings in the Baptist Faith and Message could be understood in an Arminian sense, but there is nothing in it that of necessity requires an Arminian understanding of salvation, free will, and the new birth.
As I said, Sir, the bible teaches we are "made righteous." I did not use "imparted" or imputed.
Noah Hirsch
Active Member
Which would be a direct contradiction of Paul!
No. The idea is we are not imputed with righteousness, but rather when justified we are made righteous per Romans 5:19. How are we made righteous? By the washing of regeneration and by the circumcision of Christ.
Utter nonsense, utterly false. Y1 is yet again simply posting "taint so" posts for the apparent purpose of hindering discussion.
Did Y1 acknowledge his error of denying the two step process of glorification? Nope, he simply moves on to yet another false claim. Did Y1 cite a verse that says we are justified by the imputed righteousness of Christ? Nope. On and on Y1 posts falsehood after falsehood with impunity. Will his next post move on to yet another subject change, another false assertion? Wait and see.
Once again Y1 repeats his denial that God credits the faith of people as righteousness per Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24.
I agree with scripture and not your false assertions. Many KJV family versions have "impute" at Romans 4:8, but the idea is not importing sin, but rather not counting the sin of those covered by a blood sacrifice against them.
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On and on Y1 blows smoke, now asserting "to agree" does not mean "to agree" and "to not agree" does not mean "to not agree." All these posts are simply to hinder discussion of the following:
Returning to the nits in the article 4.
1 "Whole man" apparently refers to the fact both our spirit and body are redeemed.
2) There is no salvation apart from God crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as Lord.
3) Regeneration occurs after God credits our faith and places us into Christ. Faith before regeneration.
4) "Commitment of the entire personality to Him" should read "commitment of our entire personality to Him."
5) Justification occurs after God credits our faith and puts us into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration.
6) Sanctification initially refers to God setting a person apart in Christ (the sanctification by the Spirit) and subsequently refers to our progressive sanctification where we are conformed to the image of Christ.
7) We are first glorified spiritually as a new creation in Christ, and will be glorified physically at our bodily redemption, so glorification is a two step process Romans 8:30, Philippians 3:20-21