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    JonC,

    They each loved and used the scriptures constantly. It was a pattern. What you might have trouble finding is where they did not do this!

    It is very consistent. In fact I could almost go through every portion of Acts and keep showing it, but many protest posting many verses.
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    If we study scripture to discern the methods Paul used to win souls, we find he used commonality. To the Jew under the Law, Paul came as a Jew under the Law (1 Cor. 9:20) and to the Gentile not under the Law, Paul came as not under the OT Law, but under the law of Christ. When preaching to a primarily Jewish audience, he used scripture, but when preaching to a primarily Gentile audience, Paul used things of which they were familiar, such as the "unknown God."
     
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    I can clarify:

    The reason I say things like "this seems to be" or "it seems to me", etc, is that I believe it is best to work a statement of my understanding of another person's words in such a way as to take responsibility for my understanding and not prescribe for them a belief. It avoids making false accusations.

    I have never said that Scripture was not given to godly men, or to the Church. I affirmed this. What I said is that Scripture is not given to everyone (it is given to those who believe). The gospel is a message for everyone, but the gospel is not "Scripture". The gospel is what Scripture points to. That said, it can be useful.

    But Scripture does tell us that God sent Christ (a gift by definition) to humanity. "Humanity" does not mean every person, but the collective - the Human Race.

    But even here John 1 tells us that God gave Christ to those who rejected Him (those who were not saved). But all who received Him, even those who call on His name, have the right to be called children of God. This does not negate the prior verse - that God gave Christ to the world who rejected this giving.

    So the question remains, of the gifts God has given to humanity what is the greater - God or Scripture?

    What do you think? Is Scripture greater than God? Or is God greater than Scripture? Or are they equally great?

    And what is the qualification of "greatness"? What men can use the most? What glorifies God?

    I believe it is best to stick with Scripture. God's greatest gift is love and God loved us by sending His Son. Others can believe what they may, that is none of my business.
     
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    I can agree with this.
     
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    Yes. Most of us do not know scripture as well as Paul did.
    Nevertheless, we are to make use of scripture to get up to speed and properly describe Kingdom living to new converts, so they can do the same.

    Acts 1 King James Version (KJV)
    1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

    2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

    3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days
    and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

    Acts8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the
    things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Paul:
    19:
    8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading
    the things concerning the kingdom of God.
    20:25

    Acts20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
     
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    Good. I was afraid that you were still stuck here:

    I take it now we can both confirm that Jesus was sent to the world as John states that those to whom Jesus was sent rejected Him.

    We can probably also agree that Paul did not witness by establishing the Bible as the Word of God to those he reached. I was afraid for a minute you would get caught up in a bit of legalism. Glad to see otherwise.
     
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    Why would a Baptist or any other Christian, want to deny the existence of demonic forces? We go to war every day.
     
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    Luke 9:62
    But Jesus said to him, “No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

    When we repent, and as a bond-servant take hold of the plow, with the commitment to trudge on despite any difficultly, we are looking forward toward the riches of spiritual blessing. Anyone who claims making such a commitment, but in reality looks back with regret of their life in realm of darkness, should realize they are tares.
     
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    The same reason that people will adhere to the superiority of biblical knowledge. Intellectualism.

    When we talk of spiritual forces, spiritual truth, demons, the darkness of this world, etc. some view it as superstition. They want to rationalize everything, and if it does not fit into their categories they simply will not believe it. "Spiritual truth" stops being spiritual and becomes accepting Scripture. "Demonic activity" is just sickness common to the flesh.

    What's that quote (from the Usual Suspects)? The greatest trick of the devil is convincing the world he does not exist. or something along those lines.
     
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    That is truly sad. Intellectualism is contrary to submitting to the guidance of the Holy Spirit in discerning the truth He reveals in the scriptures.

    Perhaps this is why Ezekiel was not directed to take his protege, Elisha, from the sons of the prophets. But rather was directed to a farmer.

    Samuel was directed to a shepherd boy.

    Jesus selected from the common man.

    Paul had to be shown the error of arguably the intellectualism of the Pharisees teaching on scripture.
     
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    "JonC,

    No..we will never agree on this,
     
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    I do not really look for agreement. I look for a mutual understanding.

    How do you interpret that those Christ came to rejected Him (Jn 1)?
     
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    Most of the Baptists in churches around here are scared they might get accused of being Charismatic.
     
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    Good verse, right on target.
    Preaching of the Kingdom is central....
     
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    in1 tim1 Paul continues;

    1 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

    12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

    13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

    14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

    17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

    19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
    Paul instructs Timothy:
    13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

    14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

    15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

    16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee

    This model or pattern is seen here in these instructions.
     
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    The model or pattern seems to be 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    (Something I hope we all agree on).
     
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    20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
    avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

    20 O Timotheus, the thing entrusted guard thou, avoiding the profane vain-words and opposition of the falsely-named knowledge,

    21 which certain professing -- concerning the faith did swerve; the grace

    20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you.Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” 21 for by professing it some have swerved from the faith.
     
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    Very true passage.

    Unfortunately so many are led away from truth by vain philosophies and a quest for knowledge, seeking a formula for blessings and a method for evangelism. They have a form of godliness but deny its power, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
     
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    So you believe if a person observes the Apostolic method of evangelism as in this thread perhaps, they never come to a knowledge of the truth???
    Is that because you did not see it first?
    If you posted such a thread then it would be okay?
    I think Cain felt something was wrong with Abel's offering in the same way.
    A person lives based on what they believe.Someone who post's against biblical.knowledge often makes you wonder what they base their thoughts on.
    I do not wonder about that. I think eventually everyone will notice such tendencies.
    On a message board for example.
    A person who is using carnal philosophy that gets noticed by others will turn around and start saying everyone else who noticed that,are really the ones who use philosophy,if lies are told and noticed,everyone else is lying instead.
    Just skimming through Acts many of us see a biblical pattern.
    Using the gift of scripture as the base,they show how the scriptures all.point to Jesus.
    That is exactly the teaching Jesus gave in Luke24...Moses, the Psalms, The prophets,all spoke of Him.
    Many of us see a direct correlation.....and yet strangely a few oppose this pattern taught by Jesus!
    Go figure.
     
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    What are you talking about? There is no one "method of the Apostles".
     
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