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  1. Barry Johnson

    Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    I'm certainly not complaining. Along with all those before the cross and millions of others after the cross . Hardly a failure is it ?
     
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    They both reject his gospel of the kingdom (what he said you must believe to be saved).
     
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    They know (a) Jesus is Lord. But can you not believe the gospel of the kingdom and be saved?

    “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 (NCPB)

    “and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel’.” Mark 1:15 (NCPB)
     
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    They are all lying, if they think they were saved and have Salvation Biblically and not 'salvation', as you described.

    You can have what you described off enough to fall short of the Glory of God, too, and be in no position to boast, according to God, although you do, according to you.

    No one has been saved, by your bright, flesh-filled, ideas and you obligated Jesus to be Crucified for nothing, according to your:.

    Stupid plan.
     
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    First you say "Nothing is lacking" then you say "We need to be born from above." It seems you are confused about what you believe. I will leave it to others to help you come to a clear understanding of God's plan of salvation.
     
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    It pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching to save those that believe. Thats what the bible says . its so clear.
     
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    Saying we need to be born from above and saying God has given all necessary for us to recieve this Gift are not the same. All have sinned .. ok God has dealt with that part . ' AND come short of the Glory of God . Ok God has extends the invitation for Everyone to be without excuse for not believing the truth so as to be saved . Remember its supposed to be ' good news ' .
     
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    God has given all for us to be able to be born from above . He's made the way exclusive , but not complicated. The way is Through Jesus alone . the How is , believing the Gospel . Its Got nothing to do with our will ( who cares about our will) . Who cares about what theologians with beards from the past said . who cares about whats fair . We should only care what the bible says .
     
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    No they reject YOUR understanding of what that means!
     
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    One can be either Amil or premil. or even Post mil,. nothing to do with Justification!
     
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    Those that believe with Conviction of their sins by The Preaching of The Word, Accompanied by The Holy Spirit to enable them to Repent and Have SAVING Faith in The Work of Jesus ARE THE ONLY ONES JESUS DIED FOR.

    Nothing to do with simple historical, fleshly, 'belief' in a Historical Person or event.

    God is not Obligated to Save anyone Jesus Did Not Die for.

    And He Does not.

    They Do Not Believe by the foolishness of preaching.

    Those that 'believe', by the foolishness of preaching and those who Jesus Died for are the same souls.

    Jesus Died for those God The Father Gave Him.

    Matthew 1:21 "they shall call His Name, Jesus, for He Shall Save His people from their sins."

    Jesus Gave His Life a Ransom for many.
     
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    Notice that is not the simplicity of the Gosepl . Paul makes clear in The book of Romans what the Gosepl is and how we are saved . Romans 1 the Gosepl is the Power of God unto salvation . Romans 10.9 is the how . 1 cor 15 also .
    1 Cor 15
     
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    You must believe the gospel. You reject the gospel Jesus preached. And it remains the same until the end of the world. He says only the born again can see the kingdom he preaches.

    “and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel’.” Mark 1:15 (NCPB)

    repent = repent from the Pharisee idea of the kingdom and believe the gospel of Christ's kingdom.
     
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    Jesus said it, I only repeat it.

    “and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel’.” Mark 1:15 (NCPB)
     
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    what good news is being preached here ?
     
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    The good news of the Kingdom (includes salvation). If you are born again you can see it. If not, you look for a different kingdom.
     
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    I meant mark 1.5 ?
     
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    The Gospel means 'good news '
     
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    Good News of the Kingdom. But only the born again can see it.
     
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    Salvation is part of the kingdom of God only the born-again (saved) can see.
     
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