What Is Reformed Theology?

[37818]

The artist in the video of a closed thread,
"Maybe its real ,and I'm not Chosen "
the "Reformed" Atheist was convinced of the Biblical validity of Reformed Tkeology because of a book he read by R. C. Sproul. Now in the video he could not remember the title of the book. So I made a guess, "What Is Reformed Theology?"
The book does also cover the 5 points, but only using a minimum of Scriptures. What he wrote, I think, can be sure to be convincing to a Christian not decided on the to topic.

 

[Reformed1689]

Could also be Sproul's "Chosen by God"

 

[AustinC]

Anthony Caputi

~ Anthony Caputi
"God does not need your permission to save you."

 

[Dave G]

"What Is Reformed Theology?"

I don't really know, to be honest.

I just picked up the Bible 17 years ago and started really studying it deeply...
and someone told me about a year later that I was a "Calvinist" and that I was using something called, "Reformed Theology", which I never studied.

Strange...

 

[37818]

@Dave G,

It goes to prove that Reformed theology for the most part was the redisovery of Genuine Christian New Testament theology.

I differ on some details. So at best I would only be a two point Calvinist. T _ _ _ P.

 

[MB]

What Is Reformed Theology?
Philosophy!
MB

 

[Reynolds]

@Dave G,

It goes to prove that Reformed theology for the most part was the redisovery of Genuine Christian New Testament theology.

I differ on some details. So at best I would only be a two point Calvinist. T _ _ _ P.

That would make you a Classical Arminian just realizing that C.A. leaves the P undecided.

 

[Dave G]

Philosophy!

MB,
Laying what is commonly called "Reformed Theology" aside,

I would appreciate you explaining how believing what Exodus 33:19, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Psalms 58, Psalms 65:4, Isaiah 53, Matthew 7, Matthew 13, John 3:3-21, John 6, John 8:43-47, John 10:26-30, John 17:2, Acts of the Apostles 2:47, Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Romans 4, Romans 5, Romans 8:28-33, Romans 9, Romans 10:20, Romans 11:1-8, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2, Colossians 2:13-14, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 and many others say, is "philosophy".

For example:

" But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Thank you sir, and I await your reply.

 

[MB]

MB,
Laying what is commonly called "Reformed Theology" aside,

I would appreciate you explaining how believing what Exodus 33:19, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Psalms 58, Psalms 65:4, Isaiah 53, Matthew 7, Matthew 13, John 3:3-21, John 6, John 8:43-47, John 10:26-30, John 17:2, Acts of the Apostles 2:47, Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Romans 4, Romans 5, Romans 8:28-33, Romans 9, Romans 10:20, Romans 11:1-8, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2, Colossians 2:13-14, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 and many others say, is "philosophy".

For example:

" But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Thank you sir, and I await your reply.

You are always posting the drawing of the Father when Christ was speaking to the disciples. Yet Christ drawing of all men to Him self in JN 12:32 is dismissed by you. In the beginning of the Message of Christ the disciples were drawn after Christ is lifted up Christ draws all men. You refuse what Christ said would happen after He was lifted up. because it interferes with your speculations. Your philosophical notions.
MB

 

[atpollard]

Thank you sir, and I await your reply.

You are always posting the drawing of the Father when Christ was speaking to the disciples. Yet Christ drawing of all men to Him self in JN 12:32 is dismissed by you. In the beginning of the Message of Christ the disciples were drawn after Christ is lifted up Christ draws all men.

That would be some flavor of Prevenient (enabling) Grace ... God (does something) to empower all sinners to choose or reject Christ:

• The first of the two prominent positions on the doctrine of prevenient grace in classical Arminianism is that until the Gospel, the instrument by which God draws sinners to Himself, is presented to a sinner, the sinner is in complete bondage to sin. The Holy Spirit works with the presentation of the Gospel through teaching (John 6:45) and convicting (John 16:8) the sinner, enabling the sinner to respond in the exercising of saving faith in Christ. The Holy Spirit opens the heart (Acts 16:14) and mind (Luke 24:45) of the sinner, thus drawing the sinner to Christ (John 6:44, 12:32), and the sinner is then enabled to exercise his newly freed will in placing his faith in Christ for salvation. This falls in line with the biblical teaching that the natural man is unable to understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8), which would include the message of the Gospel. However, Arminians teach that, although the sinner is now enabled to place his faith in Christ, this enablement by no means guarantees that the sinner will actually do so. This contradicts the proclamation by Jesus that all those the Father gives to Him will come to Him (John 6:37). - [Got Questions]
• The second position is a bit more complicated than the first. In this position there is, essentially, a lesser and greater drawing via prevenient grace, which comes through the proclamation of the Gospel and the internal calling of God, sometimes referred to as the “full intensity” of prevenient grace. That is, God is drawing all men in a lesser sense and then drawing those who have the Gospel presented to them in another, greater sense. Some have called this latter drawing the dispensing of “particular prevenient grace.” In this position, God has given all men a prevenient grace that results in a universal healing of total depravity by the grace of God through the atoning work of Christ. This, in turn, has alleviated, though not fully, the corruption of inherited depravity. This position resembles what is sometimes called the “partial depravity” of Arminianism, since total depravity no longer describes what people are but rather what people were. That is, because of the atoning work of Christ, all people are no longer completely incapable of hearing and responding to the Gospel (John 6:44, 8:43); rather, all people have some ability. However, similar to the other position in classical Arminianism, people are not completely freed from their bondage of sin until the Gospel is presented to them and God calls them internally through its presentation. Arminius might have referred to this concept when he spoke of the “intermediate stage between being unregenerate and regenerate” while others have referred to people in this stage as “partially regenerated.” Since Arminians believe that regeneration logically comes after faith, when a person repents of his sin and exercises saving faith in Christ, then that person is “fully regenerated.” - [Got Questions]
• The last position on the doctrine of prevenient grace is that of the Wesleyans (also known as Wesleyan-Arminians). In this position, because of the first coming and atoning work of Christ, God has dispensed a universal prevenient grace that fully negates the depravity of man. Thus, man is now in a neutral state. Those who adhere to this position assert that because of Christ’s promises that speak of “all men” being drawn (John 12:32) and the “world” being convicted (John 16:8) after His sacrifice, it means that the prevenient grace we experience today was something purchased by Christ’s work on the cross. Since Wesleyans believe in unlimited atonement as opposed to limited atonement, Wesleyans then further state that when Paul speaks of God giving those whom Christ died for “all things” (Romans 8:32), this universal prevenient grace is one of those “all things.” - [Got Questions]

 

[MB]

That would be some flavor of Prevenient (enabling) Grace ... God (does something) to empower all sinners to choose or reject Christ:

• The first of the two prominent positions on the doctrine of prevenient grace in classical Arminianism is that until the Gospel, the instrument by which God draws sinners to Himself, is presented to a sinner, the sinner is in complete bondage to sin. The Holy Spirit works with the presentation of the Gospel through teaching (John 6:45) and convicting (John 16:8) the sinner, enabling the sinner to respond in the exercising of saving faith in Christ. The Holy Spirit opens the heart (Acts 16:14) and mind (Luke 24:45) of the sinner, thus drawing the sinner to Christ (John 6:44, 12:32), and the sinner is then enabled to exercise his newly freed will in placing his faith in Christ for salvation. This falls in line with the biblical teaching that the natural man is unable to understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8), which would include the message of the Gospel. However, Arminians teach that, although the sinner is now enabled to place his faith in Christ, this enablement by no means guarantees that the sinner will actually do so. This contradicts the proclamation by Jesus that all those the Father gives to Him will come to Him (John 6:37). - [Got Questions]
• The second position is a bit more complicated than the first. In this position there is, essentially, a lesser and greater drawing via prevenient grace, which comes through the proclamation of the Gospel and the internal calling of God, sometimes referred to as the “full intensity” of prevenient grace. That is, God is drawing all men in a lesser sense and then drawing those who have the Gospel presented to them in another, greater sense. Some have called this latter drawing the dispensing of “particular prevenient grace.” In this position, God has given all men a prevenient grace that results in a universal healing of total depravity by the grace of God through the atoning work of Christ. This, in turn, has alleviated, though not fully, the corruption of inherited depravity. This position resembles what is sometimes called the “partial depravity” of Arminianism, since total depravity no longer describes what people are but rather what people were. That is, because of the atoning work of Christ, all people are no longer completely incapable of hearing and responding to the Gospel (John 6:44, 8:43); rather, all people have some ability. However, similar to the other position in classical Arminianism, people are not completely freed from their bondage of sin until the Gospel is presented to them and God calls them internally through its presentation. Arminius might have referred to this concept when he spoke of the “intermediate stage between being unregenerate and regenerate” while others have referred to people in this stage as “partially regenerated.” Since Arminians believe that regeneration logically comes after faith, when a person repents of his sin and exercises saving faith in Christ, then that person is “fully regenerated.” - [Got Questions]
• The last position on the doctrine of prevenient grace is that of the Wesleyans (also known as Wesleyan-Arminians). In this position, because of the first coming and atoning work of Christ, God has dispensed a universal prevenient grace that fully negates the depravity of man. Thus, man is now in a neutral state. Those who adhere to this position assert that because of Christ’s promises that speak of “all men” being drawn (John 12:32) and the “world” being convicted (John 16:8) after His sacrifice, it means that the prevenient grace we experience today was something purchased by Christ’s work on the cross. Since Wesleyans believe in unlimited atonement as opposed to limited atonement, Wesleyans then further state that when Paul speaks of God giving those whom Christ died for “all things” (Romans 8:32), this universal prevenient grace is one of those “all things.” - [Got Questions]

Something you forgot to mention all slaves desire to escape there predicament. Some even do escape there predicament when they are lured to freedom. Calvinist never take in to consideration the desire of the lost to be saved. They claim they don't have any.
Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

What Is Reformed Theology?
Philosophy!
MB

Biblical theology

 

[Yeshua1]

@Dave G,

It goes to prove that Reformed theology for the most part was the redisovery of Genuine Christian New Testament theology.

I differ on some details. So at best I would only be a two point Calvinist. T _ _ _ P.

All depends on if one would be Baptist reformed, or infant baptizing reformed...

 

[MB]

Biblical theology

Not so Biblical theology is of the Bible completely. Calvinism is a mixture of philosophy and the Bible with emphases on phliosophy. The tulip is a good example none of it is in scripture.
MB

 

[atpollard]

Something you forgot to mention all slaves desire to escape there predicament.

What a coincidence, so did you ... in the post I was responding to:

You are always posting the drawing of the Father when Christ was speaking to the disciples. Yet Christ drawing of all men to Him self in JN 12:32 is dismissed by you. In the beginning of the Message of Christ the disciples were drawn after Christ is lifted up Christ draws all men. You refuse what Christ said would happen after He was lifted up. because it interferes with your speculations. Your philosophical notions.
MB

Shall we start a list of all the things that neither your post nor my response mention?

• The Trinity.
• The Virgin Birth
• Eternal Damnation.
• The Passover Feast
• Love endures forever

PS. Not ALL slaves ... "If your brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you and serves you six years, then in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you. "And when you send him away free from you, you shall not let him go away empty-handed; you shall supply him liberally from your flock, from your threshing floor, and from your winepress. From what the LORD your God has blessed you with, you shall give to him. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this thing today. And if it happens that he says to you, 'I will not go away from you,' because he loves you and your house, since he prospers with you, then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise." - [Deuteronomy 15:12-17 NKJV]

 

[Yeshua1]

Not so Biblical theology is of the Bible completely. Calvinism is a mixture of philosophy and the Bible with emphases on phliosophy. The tulip is a good example none of it is in scripture.
MB

All of the points of grace are in the scriptures, and there is also original Sin and the Fall!

 

[atpollard]

The tulip is a good example none of it is in scripture.

NONE of it?


Been disproven so many times.

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability) ...

• the unregenerate will not, of their own free will, choose to receive Christ because they are enslaved to sin
  • For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness? But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human [terms] because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members [as] slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness [leading] to [more] lawlessness, so now present your members [as] slaves [of] righteousness for holiness. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. - [Romans 6:14-20]
• cannot receive spiritual things
  • But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - [1 Corinthians 2:14]
• and can do no good
  • As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one." - [Romans 3:10-12]

is in scripture, so the statement "none of [TULIP] is in scripture" has been revealed to be false ... again.

 

[37818]

That would make you a Classical Arminian just realizing that C.A. leaves the P undecided.

My view is God alone does the saving and does the keeping, John 10:27-30.

 

[37818]

All depends on if one would be Baptist reformed, or infant baptizing reformed...

It goes to prove that Reformed theology for the most part was the redisovery of Genuine Christian New Testament theology.

What part of most part of Genuine Christian New Testament theology includes infant baptisms?

 

[MB]

All of the points of grace are in the scriptures, and there is also original Sin and the Fall!

Not true:There is no total depravity in scripture.
There is no unconditional individual election. in scripture
There is no limited Atonement in scripture.
There is no irresistible grace in scripture.
There is no perseverance of the Saints in scripture.
MB