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So, since the Bible never uses the word “Trinity” you also deny the Trinity of the Godhead? Since the Bible never uses the word “omniscience”, you deny that attribute of God?

You are correct that you have said enough; enough for me anyway.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

I think I better go back, again, to I Corinthians 2:14, first.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2:14

It means:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2:14

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In contrast, The Saved Individual who is a Partaker of The Divine Nature, having Been Born Again and Indwelt by The Holy Spirit is depicted, in the opposite light:

15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things", i.e., the brethren ( "we", throughout I Corinthians 2; collectively, who are Spiritual) decerns things divine and spiritual, the things of the Spirit of God, the Doctrines of the Gospel, according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ:

"yet he himself" is "discerned of no man": that is, not by any natural man; who is not capable of discerning and judging who and what he is; & "is judged of no man".

re: Gill

 

I had to look up "meme" but I agree, the reason Calvinism exists is to explain, by human reasoning, why some accept the gospel and others reject the gospel. Could it be because humans did not sufficiently cultivate, water, and nourish those open to God's word? Nope, it is not our fault. God crippled the lost with total spiritual inability, so only those who were elected before the foundation of the world, can respond.

Hopelessly bogus fiction.

Is God totally sovereign in election for salvation? Yes

He only chooses those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

Does salvation depend on the person who wills or runs? Nope, salvation depends only upon God.

Is God sovereign is all things? Yes, God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass.

 

I've seen what you are making up in chapter 3 & 6, however, the Bible contrasts Saved souls with totally Depraved lost souls, in the two verses you asked about.

This is the first one we have to always go back to:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2:14

Sorry, you don't see chapters 3 & 6, or verses 14 & 15.

Or, I'm sorry you are an expert on chapters 3 & 6, or verses 14 & 15.

Either way.

"the unchosen are unable to believe the Gospel"
unless GOD Opens their deceived and desperately wicked heart.

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Something about Gill that I had forgotten:
Gill knocks all Armenian twistery into next week.

If you can't take Gill, don't bring your guns to town.

I usually have always dealt with lost people and believers sound in the Faith, which besides being Saved and Believing The Bible, are grounded on who they are, which is a sinner who had a reason to be Saved; they were Totally Depraved.

Gill is a believer and digs in until he finds The Glory of God and Praise for Jesus and The Holy Spirit.

That is why I reference him a lot.

So, religiously twisted people are a little new to me.

And, yet, he has heard the same things from them before and he wrote over two hundred years ago, mowing them down like chaff.

 

Does a lost soul choose to Elect themselves?

The lost soul chooses to have Faith.

God credits the Faith they chose as righteousness.

Then, God only chooses those who Elected to choose themselves, to have Faith.

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Or, is this cut & paste, puke, & adult twaddle?

 

Responses to Alan Cross questions once again...

Does a lost soul choose to Elect themselves?
Nope, only God elects individuals for salvation.

The lost soul chooses to have Faith.
After being called and drawn through the gospel of Christ, the fallen chooses to put their faith fully in Christ or not.
What is the work God requires of the fallen? To believe in the One sent by God.

God credits the Faith they chose as righteousness.
This is incoherent, but I will guess your idea God credits the faith, or not of those who chose to believe in Christ. Which is correct.

Then, God only chooses those who Elected to choose themselves, to have Faith.
Here we get rubbish. God chooses those whose faith He, and He alone, credits or not as righteousness. We can choose to trust in Christ, but being someone who wills to be saved does not result in salvation. Romans 9:16

You just keep repeating the same discredited rubbish, mixed with twaddle.
He ignores Romans 4:16, again and again falsely claiming putting faith in Christ is a works based salvation. Faith is in accordance with grace, not works of the Law.



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My dearest Van,

Romans 4:16 says, "seed".

 

How are you crediting Salvation to lost people and visa versa in those chapters?

That's the part I didn't get.

There has to be a fundamental screw up, on basic points like that, for you to make up one more crop of dried weeds ready to be burned.

 

He twaddles on as if to claim faith is not in accordance with grace... I kid you not.
Or as if everyone whose faith has been credited as Abraham's faith was credited is not the "seed" of Abraham.
On and on, subject change after subject change, twaddle piled upon twaddle.

 

You might not believe this, but this will ring the joy-bells of some who have them:

"....The Word of The LORD came unto Abram in a Vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I Am thy Shield, and thy Exceeding Great Reward."
Genesis 15:1


...."And He brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward Heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be."
Genesis 15:5

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and He counted it to him for Righteousness.

And he believed in the LORD;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, "in the Word of the Lord;'

'in the Essential Word of the Lord,

in Christ the Lord his Righteousness;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in the Promise of God,
that he should have a seed, and a very numerous one;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, that the Messiah would Spring from his seed;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS as his Saviour and Redeemer;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS for Righteousness,

and ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS Righteousness
as JESUS Righteousness Justifying him before God:


"and He counted it to him for Righteousness"

GOD ALMIGHTY DID NOT 'COUNT' ABRAHAM'S act of his Faith,

but GOD ALMIGHTY DID COUNT JESUS Righteousness
as The Object of ABRAHAM'S Faith;

GOD ALMIGHTY DID NOT 'COUNT' the promise ABRAHAM believed,
but JESUS Righteousness, of Living Perfectly under The Law and Giving His Life a Ransome for many (the Elect seed) that were Promised, by God,

and ABRAHAM's Faith Received Christ and His Righteousness Imputed to him without works, and while he was an uncircumcised person, for the proof of which the Apostle produces this passage, Romans 4:3;

"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God,
and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

wherefore this is not to be understood of any action of ABRAHAM
being esteemed and accounted a 'Righteous' one,

and not for ABRAHAM to be pronounced and acknowledged a Righteous person on account of it;

BECAUSE Abram was not Justified before God by his own works,
but by The Righteousness of Christ Imputed to ABRAHAM, as all that believe* are, that is,
the Imputation of The Righteousness of Christ
depends upon the Will of Another; The Sovereign God of The Universe.

by The Righteousness of Christ Revealed to Faith,

and The Righteousness of Christ Received by Faith:

The Righteousness of Christ Imputed is without a man,
and the Imputation of it depends upon the Will of Another;

The Sovereign God of The Universe.

by The Righteousness of Christ without works Imputed by God the Father.

This is the first time we read of believing,
and as early do we hear of Imputed Righteousness.

re: Gill


*ABRAHAM BELIEVED, "in the Word of the Lord;'

'in the Essential Word of the Lord,

in Christ the Lord his Righteousness;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in the Promise of God,
that he should have a seed, and a very numerous one;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, that the Messiah would Spring from his seed;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS as his Saviour and Redeemer;

ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS for Righteousness,

and ABRAHAM BELIEVED, in JESUS Righteousness
as JESUS Righteousness Justifying him before God:

 

Faith is in accordance with grace and not the works of the Law. Calvinism denies this fundamental truth, along with several others. (Limited Spiritual Ability of the Fallen, Conditional Election based on faith, Christ dying for all mankind, Reconciliation when placed spiritually in Christ)

 

your 'sense' is sin-cursed.

everyone's is.

My position is that of John Gill with regard to, "Jesus is The Savior".

I have met, or read after, a few people with that position.

All others add and take away a few things, to 'Jesus is The Savior', whether they think they do, or not.

You just have to ask them and watch them say dozens of other gospels, which are accursed.

The sin-cursed mind has a heart that is deceitful and desperately wicked.

You think you can dismiss God, for example, by dismissing those who believe in God.

That is 'thinking' with a sin-cursed mind.

 

How do you, or your Armenian devotees, twist those chapters into a wicker chair, though?

 

I guess 'Calvinism' probably does.

I do.

God Does.