Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

[Van]

It looks like the Lord and Paul disagrees with you on that!

The Lord and Paul disagree with Calvinism on that!!

 

[AustinC]

The Lord and Paul disagree with Calvinism on that!!

Ya think God has corrected John Calvin so Calvin now believes exactly like you?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Judas did NOT take the Lord's Supper. Growing up with Jewish family, I do know how Passover works. Bear with me as I give a short tutorial and dispel faulty logic.

FIRST you have beginning of the seder, with the great sh'ma, tasting symbolic items, wine, etc - Judas was THERE

THEN you have the MEAL break of the ceremony in the middle of the seder; not the ceremony but a feast! - Judas was there for part of the meal portion it, then LEFT
"It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
"What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or to give something to the poor.
As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night. (Jn 13:26-30)

THEN you have the dessert - the afikomen (hidden middle/broken piece of matzoh) - Judas was GONE
This moment is when Jesus instituted the bread of the Lord's Supper
Mt 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

THEN you have the 3rd cup - cup of redemption - Again, Judas was GONE
This moment, after all had been eaten, is when Jesus instituted the wine of the Lord's Supper
Mt 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
1Co 11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after the meal, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."

THEN you have final words, final sip of wine for Elijah, and singing of Hallel Psalms - Judas was still GONE
Mt 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

THEN on to the Garden and Judas comes for the betrayal/arrest - Judas was THERE

why don't you deal with the passage from Luke's Gospel? It is very clear that Judas did take the Lord's Supper. read the words that Luke uses, "“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you" (verse 20), which is NOT the Passover Meal! AFTER this Jesus says, "But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table." Interesting that both Matthew Henry and John Gill, both Reformed theologians, accept that Judas did take the bread and wine. And yet you think that you somehow know better? There is NO contradiction between any of the Goepels, Luke is more detailed on what happened, and is clear to those tho are not biased, that Judas was there and did eat the bread, and drink the wine that represents Jesus' body and blood, and Jesus also told Judas, "which is shed for YOU"!.

You can't accept this because it goes against your "theology", rather than what the Bible actually says!

 

[SavedByGrace]

True, only the ones chosen and predestined by God the father are!

so WHAT makes YOU so special that God should "elect" YOU to salvation? Tell us, WHAT exactly is God's basis for electing YOU, and not the greater majority of people, who the Bible says will end up in hell? This doctrine is so UNBIBLICAL because it makes some sinners who are hell-deserving, into so sort of "elite" class of people, who then go around all sumg, tell others that Jesus ONLY died for the likes of them! What complete RUBBISH!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Thank you. That is eye opening information.

peace to you

misleading as it does NOT deal with the passage from Luke, which is what the OP is about!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Without repentance (a changed mind) there can never be the [new] faith.

Christ died to be Lord of all, Romans 14:9, Philippians 2:6-11. To be both Judge, but rather Savior, Romans 8:34.

Biblical "repentance" is SORROW for personal sins, and not just a "change of mind". The Greek is not narrow in its meaning, and does also include being sorry for sins.

 

[SavedByGrace]

"requires" = Saved by merit...

more foolish talk from those who cannot accept what tyhe Bible SAYS!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Do you believe Judas was saved?

this is what the Bible says about Judas:

"For whoever will give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you are Christ's, most certainly I tell you, he will in no way lose his reward" (Mark 9:41)

Jesus here is speaking to the Twelve, including Judas, as says to all of them, "you are Christ's", that is, "belong to Him". Can this be said of those who are not saved?

Jesus also told His Disciples, "Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” (John 6:70)

Judas was one of the "chosen" by Jesus Christ, exactly as the other 11 were. Again, in Luke 9:1, we read, "And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases". Where Judas is also given "power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases". Can this be true of someone who is not a saved person? Acts 1:25 says of Judas, "to take up this ministry and apostleship, which Judas abandoned to go to his rightful place.”. That he did belong with the 12, and did have the same gifts and power and authority as the others, having being "called" to the ministry by Jesus Himself. Judas was an "Apostle" of the Lord Jesus Christ, but "abandoned" all of this, when he gave into the devil.

 

[SavedByGrace]

All humankind are not elect.

are you? if so, WHY?

 

[37818]

Biblical "repentance" is SORROW for personal sins,

You do not know what you are talking about. It is my opinion "repentence" is not the best translation. The two Greek words litterally mean either to change one's mind or to change one's view. Can that be about sin? Yes, Luke 13.

 

[Alan Gross]

more foolish talk from those who cannot accept what tyhe Bible SAYS!

Jesus Gave His Life a Random for many.

Those God Gave Him, He Lost none.

Judas was a devil from the beginning.

Jesus Died for the sins of His people.

The Elect were Chosen by the Good Pleasure of God's Will.

 

[AustinC]

more foolish talk from those who cannot accept what tyhe Bible SAYS!

"requires" = Saved by merit...

Grace is unmerited favor...nothing is required.

The Bible says this:

Ephesians 2:4-9 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Notice what God does by unmerited favor.
1)Makes us alive with Christ
2)Raised us up with Christ
3) Seated us in the heavenly places with Christ

If an action is "required" by God in order for God to make us alive with Christ, then we are not saved by grace. Instead, we are saved by our works.

In your case, you demand that humans first repent before God can act. Your teaching is "savedbyworks." How do I know? Because the Bible says...

 

[Alan Gross]

"requires" = Saved by merit...

Grace is unmerited favor...nothing is required.

The Bible says this:

Ephesians 2:4-9 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Notice what God does by unmerited favor.
1)Makes us alive with Christ
2)Raised us up with Christ
3) Seated us in the heavenly places with Christ

If an action is "required" by God in order for God to make us alive with Christ, then we are not saved by grace. Instead, we are saved by our works.

In your case, you demand that humans first repent before God can act. Your teaching is "savedbyworks." How do I know? Because the Bible says...

"Not of your own doing"

"That not of yourself"

 

[AustinC]

You do not know what you are talking about. It is my opinion "repentence" is not the best translation. The two Greek words litterally mean either to change one's mind or to change one's view. Can that be about sin? Yes, Luke 13.

SBG is calling remorse, repentance. There is a difference between remorse and repentance.
Remorse is being sorry you did something wrong (mainly because you got caught and you don't have the power to win the fight).

Repentance is turning away from one thing and turning to another thing.

We read in 1 Thessalonians 1 how the Christians there were repenting, turning to God away from idols. That repentance was causing a revival in Thessaloniki. You will never see a rebel turning away from sin and turning toward God...before God saves them by grace. The teaching that repentance is "required" before salvation can take place is completely false.

1 Thessalonians 1:4-10
For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with the joy of the Holy Spirit, so that you became an example to all the believers in Macedonia and in Achaia. For not only has the word of the Lord sounded forth from you in Macedonia and Achaia, but your faith in God has gone forth everywhere, so that we need not say anything. For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You do not know what you are talking about

I wish people should not make such dumb remarks when they themselves don't understand the Bible's teachings!

" and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins" (Luke 24:47)

"And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" (Acts 2:38)

" Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 2:19)

THIS is what the Bible actually teaches, it is up to you to accept or fight it!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus Gave His Life a Random for many.

Those God Gave Him, He Lost none.

Judas was a devil from the beginning.

Jesus Died for the sins of His people.

The Elect were Chosen by the Good Pleasure of God's Will.

I think that your theology gets the better of you! Read what you write, "Jesus Gave His Life a Random for many", by this you are trying to show that Jesus died only for the elect! WRONG! How can this term "many" be used to show for whom Jesus died, when it is the FEW who are the elect? In Greek, the word "many" means the "greater majority", and when the Greek has the definite article, "the many", it means "the sum total". So, your own words prove you wrong! Further, John Calvin himself disagrees with you, when commenting on Mark 14:24, he says, "Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race"

 

[SavedByGrace]

If an action is "required" by God in order for God to make us alive with Christ, then we are not saved by grace. Instead, we are saved by our works.

you should try more Bible and less theology, as Paul was told, "it is making you mad"!

 

[Iconoclast]

so WHAT makes YOU so special that God should "elect" YOU to salvation? Tell us, WHAT exactly is God's basis for electing YOU, and not the greater majority of people, who the Bible says will end up in hell? This doctrine is so UNBIBLICAL because it makes some sinners who are hell-deserving, into so sort of "elite" class of people, who then go around all sumg, tell others that Jesus ONLY died for the likes of them! What complete RUBBISH!

Caricature and strawmen do not get it done.

 

[37818]

I wish people should not make such dumb remarks when they themselves don't understand the Bible's teachings!

" and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins" (Luke 24:47)

"And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" (Acts 2:38)

" Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 2:19)

THIS is what the Bible actually teaches, it is up to you to accept or fight it!

These Scriptures are not at issue. Your wrong headed view is. μετανοέω and μετάνοια.

 

[Iconoclast]

I think that your theology gets the better of you! Read what you write, "Jesus Gave His Life a Random for many", by this you are trying to show that Jesus died only for the elect! WRONG! How can this term "many" be used to show for whom Jesus died, when it is the FEW who are the elect? In Greek, the word "many" means the "greater majority", and when the Greek has the definite article, "the many", it means "the sum total". So, your own words prove you wrong! Further, John Calvin himself disagrees with you, when commenting on Mark 14:24, he says, "Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race"

Yes, many not all, read Gen.12-17
The elect are a multitude no man can number.
More than the stars of the heaven, more than the sand of the sea.
If you move quickly to delete your post, maybe no one will see what you suggested
Many does not mean all.