A Doctrine of Translation

what is fiction is your idea that you know more than people actually experienced and gifted to do this work.The suggestion that you would question JoJ on this is ludicrous.
I still remember that day that Archangel took you to school when you were offering your ideas,on the Greek,lol

 

this is a JOKE. as coming from someone who does not understand Greek prepositions as in John 1:3, and Hebrews 1:2, it shows your clear ignorance of Greek grammer!

 

Very true. It is evident from verse 21, "In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” (from Isaiah 28:11), that human languages are meant. As you say, the account on the Day of Pentecost was unique, where the Lord attested to the work He was doing through His servants, by "signs and wonders", as we also read of people being healed by the shadow of John (Acts 5:15); and Paul's "skin" in Acts 19:12.

 

very true!

 

The irony is just too rich because 2Timothy 3:16, in its immediate context, refers to the scriptures which Timothy had in his hand as a 1st century half-breed Greek.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy SCRIPTURES, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Paul applies the doctrine of inspiration to the actual hand-held scriptures that Timothy had, which evidently could not have been the original autographs. So Paul believed that copies are given by inspiration of God.

We thus lay aside the wisdom of this world which the serpent has fed the seminary and college professors, and stick to a Biblical view of inspiration.

And not a word of this was about the King James Bible...so don't even go there to change the subject.

 

Did I indicate I translate from the original language into English? Or do I evaluate various English translations by study to derive what think is the best most accurate translation.

Disinformation hinders the ministry of Christ.

 

Pay no attention to disinformation posters.
Did I indicate I know more about translation than JOJ? Of course not. So a false charge by the twaddler.
Can I question the translation choices of translators, especially when the translation choices differs from version to version? Of course.
And your fiction about the exchange between Archangel and myself you have repeated at least twice. Doubling down on disinformation hinders the ministry of Christ.

 

Pay no attention to clear ignorance of John 1:3 and Hebrews 1:2. Have I posted my view? Yes. Has the taint so twaddler? Of course not.

Is this view a Baptist view? Of course not.

 

what utter rubbish you talk! and you are supposed to be a pastor, and here you are yet again undermining the Auhtority and Inspiration of the Word of God!!!

 

you need some patience, as I am a very busy person. I will be adding my own research here shortly, which demolishes any suggestion of ANY "subordination" of Jesus to the Father pre-Incarnation, and demonstrate from the Greek, that Jesus is the ACTUAL Creator, as are The Father and Holy Spirit. Check by as you may learn a thing or two, if you are humble enough!

 

Did I address Jude 1:3? Of course, in another thread pointing out alternate translation choices. And in yet another thread, I showed God the Son operated in subordination to God the Father before the incarnation. And in that thread I did cite John 1:3 and Hebrews 1:2.

Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly by the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

Again I think the implication is we contend by faith so "for the faith" might be better translated "by the faith." Note our dative of means noun is not part of a prepositional phrase. Since the righteous man lives by faith (a central tenet of the NT) anytime we see something being accomplished or achieved, such as contending earnestly, the instrumentality of faith is implied.

As far as Hebrews 1:2, 21 English translations chose to see the implication of instrumentality and translated "en" as "by or through." The preposition in John 1:3 is "di" which literally means through, and figuratively "by the means of." Thus God the Son was the means by which God the Father caused the world and everything else to be made. 27 English translations translated "di" as through or by. Nuff said.

 

I see I missed a claim:
[indent]If the "tongues" (languages) in 1 Cor. 12-14 are only miraculous, then why would an interpreter be needed? 1 Cor. 14:28--"But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." [/indent]
In a mixed crowd, half Greek speaking and half Hebrew only speaking, with the speaker speaking one or the other language, an interpreter would be needed.

Lets look at 1 Corinthians 14:27-28: If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God.

How are we to understand this message? If a person, or two or three persons are in an assemble, where the small group speaks in another language, only one or two or at most three should speak, and then an interpreter should speak to present what was said in a language understandable to the rest of the assembly. If no one is there to translate the language into one understandable to the assembly, they the ones speaking the uncommon language should remain silent.

 

Note that you did not address the interpretation, which is supported by the immediate context, just insulted me.

Also, I uphold the authority of the word of God because I believe that there is a perfect Bible.

You don't believe there is any perfect Bible that I can hold in my hand.

You are the one, brother, that undermines the authority of the word of God, because you believe and teach that all Bible versions have errors.

Matt 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

Pay no attention to those pushing Gnostic knowledge, scripture teaches the priesthood of believers, with everyone able to share their understanding of God's word.