Easy Believism is my conclusion of the faith.

[AustinC]

Scripture doesn't have incantations thats a Calvinist interpretation of scripture.
MB

That's actually a free-will interpretation of the Bible. Just say a sinners prayer and your good. You just saved yourself with the prayer.
MB, since you're a free-will guy, you get to own the magic prayer theology.

 

[robycop3]

In that version the power of salvation is all in the hands (or voice) of man and their ability to perform the proper incantation.

That's what the above SCRIPTURES say, so I believe it, not man's private interps nor guesses of what they mean.

 

[37818]

Prove via scripture its a work further I simply quoted scripture your problem is with scripture not me

Sir, that you do not have this in your understanding that a confession with one's mouth is a work, I cannot fix this.

What is found in Romans 10:9 is unique to Romans 10:9. Also Jesus warning as found in Matthew 7:21 would exclude that as a work. There is nothing wrong with the promise of Romans 10:9. The confession with one's mouth is nowhere taught as a requriment for salvation.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sir, that you do not have this in your understanding that a confession with one's mouth is a work, I cannot fix this.

What is found in Romans 10:9 is unique to Romans 10:9. Also Jesus warning as found in Matthew 7:21 would exclude that as a work. There is nothing wrong with the promise of Romans 10:9. The confession with one's mouth is nowhere taught as a requriment for salvation.

Bub, since you cannot define "work" via scripture which is a given since you refuse to make any attempt to do so, makes it clear you have no scriptural support for your claim.

Further, saying it is unique but adding no other scriptural support for that specific claim or adding context to your support only further shows the weakness of your position.

Now, you can hang on to it but it is weak at best and in reality without any foundation other than your personal wishes. Not something to hang your hat on.

 

[AustinC]

That's what the above SCRIPTURES say, so I believe it, not man's private interps nor guesses of what they mean.

So believe what God says. Spiritually dead people cannot repent and confess. They can only mock and mimic.

Ephesians 2:1-9
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

If God has not made a person alive with Christ, they will be like the demons who know Jesus is King, yet remain spiritually dead and only give lip service.

The way you can know life is by the new life God gives His children. Don't put your trust in an incantation. Put your trust in Jesus, your King.

 

[MB]

Bub, since you cannot define "work" via scripture which is a given since you refuse to make any attempt to do so, makes it clear you have no scriptural support for your claim.

Further, saying it is unique but adding no other scriptural support for that specific claim or adding context to your support only further shows the weakness of your position.

Now, you can hang on to it but it is weak at best and in reality without any foundation other than your personal wishes. Not something to hang your hat on.

Since you can't understand what 37818 said why do you judge him?
MB

 

[robycop3]

So believe what God says. Spiritually dead people cannot repent and confess. They can only mock and mimic.

Ephesians 2:1-9
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

If God has not made a person alive with Christ, they will be like the demons who know Jesus is King, yet remain spiritually dead and only give lip service.

The way you can know life is by the new life God gives His children. Don't put your trust in an incantation. Put your trust in Jesus, your King.

The Scriptures say "whoever". They do NOT say "whoever,if elect". So evidently, you must think both Paul & Jesus were wrong.

 

[AustinC]

The Scriptures say "whoever". They do NOT say "whoever,if elect". So evidently, you must think both Paul & Jesus were wrong.

You seem to not understand that it says...whoever believes. Does everyone believe? Why not? Jesus tells us. They must be born again in order to believe. Just as you didn't conceive yourself in the womb, so you don't conceive your new birth.
Read the entire passage.

John 3:3-21
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘Youmust be born again.’ The windblows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

You emphasize whoever as though a human is the cause agent of belief. I emphasize born again since God is the cause agent of belief.

Whoever (is born again) believes. Whoever (is not born again) does not believe. Why? Because the Spirit causes one to be born again while the other remains dead in their spirit.

These truths are elementary. Why must I feed you milk?

 

[Aaron]

My conversion to believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior is best discribed as Easy Believism. To deny this simple truth is to deny the truth of the genuine gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

I call it a birth. The one being born can do nothing. It is all in the hands of the ones delivering.

 

[robycop3]

You seem to not understand that it says...whoever believes. Does everyone believe? Why not? Jesus tells us. They must be born again in order to believe. Just as you didn't conceive yourself in the womb, so you don't conceive your new birth.
Read the entire passage.

John 3:3-21
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘Youmust be born again.’ The windblows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

You emphasize whoever as though a human is the cause agent of belief. I emphasize born again since God is the cause agent of belief.

Whoever (is born again) believes. Whoever (is not born again) does not believe. Why? Because the Spirit causes one to be born again while the other remains dead in their spirit.

These truths are elementary. Why must I feed you milk?

"So then, faith comes by hearing, & hearing, by the word of God.

Hearing WHAT ?

THE FACTS ABOUT JESUS, of course ! A person needs to hear or read God's word & act upon it. A preacher's job is to impress the facts about Jesus to the lost, so that they may call upon His name & come to Him. And human will DOES enter in .

 

[AustinC]

"So then, faith comes by hearing, & hearing, by the word of God.

Hearing WHAT ?

THE FACTS ABOUT JESUS, of course ! A person needs to hear or read God's word & act upon it. A preacher's job is to impress the facts about Jesus to the lost, so that they may call upon His name & come to Him. And human will DOES enter in .

Here's what Jesus tells you.

John 10:1-5
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

 

[37818]

Bub, since you cannot define "work" via scripture which is a given since you refuse to make any attempt to do so, makes it clear you have no scriptural support for your claim.

Further, saying it is unique but adding no other scriptural support for that specific claim or adding context to your support only further shows the weakness of your position.

Now, you can hang on to it but it is weak at best and in reality without any foundation other than your personal wishes. Not something to hang your hat on.

Again, I cannot think for you.



Mark 16:16. Baptism is a work.
Romans 10:9, Confession with the mouth is a work.
Romans 10:13-14, Calling on the LORD is a work.

Each of those references involve a belief and
a work.

 

[Revmitchell]

Again, I cannot think for you.



Mark 16:16. Baptism is a work.
Romans 10:9, Confession with the mouth is a work.
Romans 10:13-14, Calling on the LORD is a work.

Each of those references involve a belief and
a work.

Again you have not established a biblical definition for work. By the way there is one. Simply saying something is a work doesnt make it so. Your argument is weak.

 

[MB]

The Scriptures say "whoever". They do NOT say "whoever,if elect". So evidently, you must think both Paul & Jesus were wrong.

You know when they tell you that you don't understand it's the same as saying you are still dead in your sins.
MB

 

[37818]

Again you have not established a biblical definition for work. By the way there is one. Simply saying something is a work doesnt make it so. Your argument is weak.

Looking at Mark 16:16, Romans 10:9 and Romans 10:13.
Mark 16:16, ". . . He that believeth and . . . ." What is baptism in Mark 16:16, a requirement for salvation? Romans 10:9, ". . . believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, . . ." What is confession with the mouth that Jesus is Lord, a requrement for salvation? Romans 10:13-14, ". . . How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?"

It is clear in my mind the difference between faith and works of faith.

 

[robycop3]

You know when they tell you that you don't understand it's the same as saying you are still dead in your sins.
MB

I know what the Scriptures say, without adding any new meanings for them.

 

[AustinC]

I know what the Scriptures say, without adding any new meanings for them.

It seem you do not. Instead, you read a sentence and think it means something the context of the passage does not convey. My example is your misunderstanding of John 3.

You reject scripture interpreting scripture. Instead, you create individualistic interpretations that end up with each individual sentence contradicting the other sentence. But, that doesn't seem to bother you. It seems you choose tunnel vision and ignore your contradictions.

 

[37818]

But if you mean placing faith in the finished work of the cross and His resurrection and having a desire for an ongoing, personal, and intimate relationship with the giver of the gift then that is in fact the genuine gospel and nothing like easy believism.

We disagree.
2 Corinthians 5:17.
John 17:3.

 

[MB]

Bub, since you cannot define "work" via scripture which is a given since you refuse to make any attempt to do so, makes it clear you have no scriptural support for your claim.

Further, saying it is unique but adding no other scriptural support for that specific claim or adding context to your support only further shows the weakness of your position.

Now, you can hang on to it but it is weak at best and in reality without any foundation other than your personal wishes. Not something to hang your hat on.

I'm curious about just what you think or believe easy believeism really is. What is easy believeism to you?
MB

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm curious about just what you think or believe easy believeism really is. What is easy believeism to you?
MB

Its wanting the gift with no desire for the giver. Wanting salvation but caring nothing about the daily relationship with Christ.