Ok?? Im still waiting for a biblical definition of works from you. Further, you completely misunderstand Romans 10:9 and of course you need to consider v. 10 as well. The context doesnt bear out your presupposition.
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Easy Believism is my conclusion of the faith.
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Ok?? Im still waiting for a biblical definition of works from you. Further, you completely misunderstand Romans 10:9 and of course you need to consider v. 10 as well. The context doesnt bear out your presupposition.
Looking at it from your point of view easy believeism isn't so easy. It's impossible.?
My Point of view is different in meaning This verse below describes it.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Some on this board think this is imposible. They fail to realize that believing is not a work.They claim that man's belief is not enough to save him. When they refuse to consider that man's believing can't happen with out him being convinced and convicted of Christ by the gospel. To me this is easy believeism.
MB
What a genius you are ! Seems you're having trouble with the word "whoever".(Hint: it means "anyone".)
Seems you are having trouble with "believes". Also, so much trouble with "must be born again."
Get back to me when you have studied the entire passage.
Tell us what this verse means:
"If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”
(Hint: Context matters)
Brightfame52
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But it specified whoever what. For instance whoever calls upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Not shall get saved. The Spiritual action of calling upon the name of the lord is evidence that a person is in a saved , quickened state. One is quickened first in order to call upon the name of the lord. This principal is seen here Ps 80:18
So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.
That is because Spiritually dead people can't Spiritually call upon the name of the lord.
37818
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Yeah, from your point of view, not mine.
I think I made my point of view clear. Since you see it as wrong, I do not see any way to change your understanding.
I'm not sure anyone could believe such nonsense. I suspose when a Calvinist accuses me of being an easy believer it the same as saying I'm not saved, because I'm not converted to Calvinism.
MB
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I'd really like to see scripture from you that actually says a man is quickend before faith PS 80:18 fails in this. This guy was asking to be quickened. and you just said an unsaved man can't call on God. Who do you think he is asking? Your Calvinism is just plain false doctrine. This guy was asking to be saved by God. He was not saved before faith
MB
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Who has made that accusation?
Do you think that saying a sinners prayer automatically saves you from God's wrath for your sins?
Second, no one is attempting to convert a person to "Calvinism" here at the BB. Christians who see God as fully Sovereign over all things, as the Bible declares, attempt to point out these Bible verses for you to read and understand. But no one is attempting to convert you to Calvinism. The idea that people here are thoroughly versed in every word Calvin wrote and thus believe Calvin rather than the Bible is an idea from hell that is a bold faced lie being told you in your mind. Rebuke that lie as coming from hell and receive the words of God as expressed in the Bible.
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
~ Ephesians 2:1-9
How many times shall we share this passage with you before you will accept it?
I don't believe they make a medication that will help you.
MB
Brightfame52
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You seem to be having trouble with the word believes
.hint it means everyone believing. Not every person ever born.
Dave G
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MB,
The "Calvinist", as you call them, acknowledges that any prayer, from the heart, comes from a changed heart.
I agree...
Yet so many, especially nowadays, seem to make the gift of eternal life into something that can be had by "simply believing"...
Sir, according to the Scriptures, there is no "simply" about it.
While it seems "simple" at first glance and even when one digs a little deeper into God's word, the reality of it is found here:
" But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:64-65 ).
Once again and as in other threads, many people here seem to keep overlooking this one simple statement...
People do not believe on Christ.
Jesus Himself tells the reader why they do not...
Because no man can come to Him unless it was given to them by the Father to do so.
This is not my own private interpretation, sir, this is what the passage says, and those who believe it can take heart that even their desire to come to Christ was built on the solid foundation of a loving God who sent His Son to live and to die for them, and the whole thing is a work of God, start to finish.
This isn't "Calvinism" / "Augustinianism" / "Gottschalkism"...
It's the truth of Scripture whether we as men like it or not.
If you wish to fight against it, then to me, you are fighting God's right to give His gifts to whoever He wishes.
Our will has nothing to do with us being born again ( John 1:13, James 1:18, Ephesians 1:4-11 ).
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Dave G
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Sure there is.
Please see these:
" Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." ( Romans 4:4 ).
" For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 not of works, lest any man should boast." ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ).
" Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." ( Romans 11:5-6 ).
" who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began." ( 2 Timothy 1:9 )
" But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." ( Titus 3:4-7 ).
I encourage you to allow the words to sink in, my friend.
God's grace is the only thing we have to stand on...
Not our belief, our faith, our repentance or our praying a prayer of deliverance.
Dave G
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It's one of the many true teachings of Scripture.
If you are looking at eternal life in any other manner than as an unmerited gift of God with no strings attached, then you are looking at it as a thing to be acquired by meeting a condition, and not according to His mercy and grace alone.
My heart goes out to you sir, because from my perspective, you keep resisting the Scriptures that clearly tell us that God's grace cannot be merited,
and that His purposes according to election will stand.
That is what makes salvation something that is by grace, and not works.
Our efforts at trying to gain God's favor by meeting a set of requirements will never gain us, as sinful men, the object of our desires;
Only His unmerited favor can ever release that sort of thing to us.
Therefore, if you've truly believed on Christ as Saviour and Lord, then you have that gift.
However, if a person does not, then that is clear evidence that they are not in possession of it ( John 3:18, John 3:36 ).
May God bless you greatly, MB.
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