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    Before attempting to understand the biblical meaning of redemption, we need to ask, “redemption from what?” The most consistent picture is that of slaves or captives being set free from bondage after the payment of a price.

    The root meaning of the Greek words translated redeemed or redemption is loosening, with some forms of the word being combined with “apo” meaning “out from.” So the idea of the combined word is to be not only providing the price of freedom, but also the transport from captivity to someplace else, e.g. deliverance.

    The Greek word transliterated “lutrosin” (G3085) appears three times, Luke 1:68, Luke 2:38 and Hebrews 9:12.

    In Luke 1:68 we see the prophecy that God visited us and provided redemption for His people. This usage presents the idea of possible rescue and salvation from a bad situation, Right off the bat we encounter one of the difficulties in understanding "redemption" because many translation present that Christ accomplished redemption, whereas others (correctly in my opinion) present that Christ provided for the redemption of His people. If we co-mingle ransom and redemption, we create a muddle.

    Luke 2:38 references people who are “anticipating their redemption in Jerusalem."

    In Hebrews 9:12, we see that Christ through His blood procured eternal redemption. This fits the picture of being ransomed by the payment of a redemption-price. Further, this redemption is eternal; it does not have a shelf life.

    In Luke 24:21 we find "lytroō" (G3084) which is translated as "redeem." The meaning is to cause the release upon receipt of the ransom. Thus when God transfers a condemned individual from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son, the individual is redeemed. This word also appears in Titus 2:14 and 1 Peter 1:18. Note that Jesus gave Himself up (dying on the cross) to redeem us by providing the redemption-price for our salvation.

    Jesus was both the High Priest who slays the sacrifice and then sprinkles the blood on those receiving the benefit of the sacrifice, and the sacrifice, the Lamb of God.

    Romans 3:24 says (NASB), “being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.” God’s grace can accomplish many varied things, and so Paul makes it clear that the grace being given is through or by the means of the redemption [deliverance], which is in Christ Jesus. So this verse points to receiving the benefit of Christ’s sacrifice when we are put “in Christ” rather than when He shed His precious blood on the cross. Here the Greek word rendered "redemption" is "apolytrōsis" (G629).

    Romans 8:23, here G629 is applied to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

    1 Corinthians 1:30 says: "But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption," (G629) Once God has redeemed us by placing us into Christ (our redemption from the domain of darkness, and thus being set apart within Christ (sanctification), we undergo the washing of regeneration and are born anew, which results in our being made the righteousness of God, we are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit who becomes our wisdom from God.

    Ephesians 1:7 says (NASB), “In Him we have redemption (G629) through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.” So again, only when “in Him” (within Him) do we have the gift of His redemptive grace, which sets us free from every lawless deed, the forgiveness of our trespasses.

    Ephesians 1:14 and 4:30 refer to our redemption (G629) from our corrupt flesh. But as a sidelight when we are placed spiritually into Christ, we received our eternal redemption from the bondage of sin, and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit in Christ as a pledge of our inheritance which is to be raised in glorified bodies, set free from the corruption of the flesh. Thus those within Christ have been past tense spiritually redeemed, and are predestined to be bodily redeemed at Christ's second coming.

    Next, Colossians 1:13-14 completely summarizes the biblical concept of redemption from the bondage of sin. “For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

    Hebrews 9:15: For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption (G629) of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Another word used with more than one intended meaning is "called" which in this verse refers to be transferred spiritually into Christ.

    Hebrews 11:35 has our last example: "Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release (G629), so that they might obtain a better resurrection; Here G629 should be rendered "redemption" referring to an earthly release from captivity.

    In summary four Greek words are translated as redeemed or redemption, but the concept is clear, being relocated from the realm of darkness into Christ spiritually, or out of our (dead or alive) mortal and corrupt body into our glorified body. He paid the price of redemption on the cross, the ransom for all, but only when God puts us spiritually into Christ are we "redeemed."

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    Redemption from Righteous Judgment, Van.

    The word, "deemed", means, "judge".

    To be, "judged" in to be found guilty of all the Law of God.

    To be, "Re"- "Deemed", is the be, "Re-Judged".

    For believers, who are Granted Conviction & Repentance from their Guilt and GIVEN Faith in Jesus Christ, THOSE SOULS ARE REJUDGED, WITH JESUS BEARING THEIR PUNISHMENT AND COST.

    Jesus Died the Just for the unjust.

    His Created Humans were Judged GUILTY to Suffer The Eternal Wrath of God
    and Jesus Suffered The Wrath of God, on the Behalf of God's Chosen Elect, having not done any good or ungood.

    Jesus is The Savior.
     
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    One of the problems in bible study is to read back into the original word or phrase, the meaning of the word used for translation.

    Deemed does indeed mean consider or judge something to be so, but the Greek words of the OP have their root meaning as "loosening."
    Where does scripture say we are delivered from the consequence of sin, the decrees against us? In Him! How is this redemption from the penalty of sin accomplished? God places us individually into Christ spiritually. And this transfer, this redemption, this loosening out of our condemnation is solely an action of God alone, on the basis of Him crediting our faith (or not) as righteousness.

    Thus when we are spiritually in the body of Christ, we are within His propitiatory shelter which because of His shedding of blood, cleanses us from all (past, present and future) unrighteousness.

    What are some of the words or phrases used to refer to this transfer?
    1) Called - 1 Corinthians 1:9, Galatians 5:13, 1 Peter 2:9
    2) Sanctified or Sanctification (meaning set apart) - John 17:9, Acts 20:32, Acts 26:18, 1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:11, Hebrews 2:11, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14, and 2 Thessalonians 2:13
    3) Believes in (eis=into) - John 3:15, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 4:39, John 6:40, Acts 10:43, etc
     
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    lutrósis: a ransoming, a redemption
    Original Word: λύτρωσις, εως, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: lutrósis
    Phonetic Spelling: (loo'-tro-sis)
    Definition: a ransoming, a redemption
    Usage: (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release.

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    Cognate: 3085 lýtrōsis (a feminine noun) – properly, the payment of the full ransom-price to free a slave – particularly the redemption of an individual. See also the neuter noun (3083 /lýtron, "full ransom-price").

    katara: a curse
    Original Word: κατάρα, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: katara
    Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar'-ah)
    Definition: a curse
    Usage: cursing; a curse; meton: a doomed one.

    HELPS Word-studies

    2671 katára (from 2596 /katá, "according to, down" and 685 /ará, "a curse") – properly, what has "to go down" (penalties received) due to condemnation, i.e. the penalty-curse that results when God Himself curses (condemns) something.


    apolutrósis: a release effected by payment of ransom
    Original Word: ἀπολύτρωσις, εως, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: apolutrósis
    Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-oo'-tro-sis)
    Definition: a release effected by payment of ransom
    Usage: release effected by payment of ransom; redemption, deliverance.

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    629 apolýtrōsis(from 575 /apó, "from" and 3084 /lytróō, "redeem") – properly, redemption – literally, "buying back from, re-purchasing (winning back) what was previously forfeited (lost)."

    629 /apolýtrōsis ("redemption, re-purchase") emphasizes the distance ("safety-margin") that results between the rescued person, and what previously enslaved them. For the believer, the prefix (575 /apó) looks back to God's effective work of grace, purchasing them from the debt of sin and bringing them to their new status (being in Christ).
     
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    Strong's Greek: 515. ἀξιόω (axioó) -- to deem worthy

    ... Strong's Concordance. axioó: to deem worthy. Original Word: ἀξιόω Part of Speech:
    Verb Transliteration: axioó Phonetic Spelling: (ax-ee-o'-o) Definition ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/515.htm - 17k


    Strong's Greek: 2661. καταξιόω (kataxioó) -- to deem ...

    ... Strong's Concordance. kataxioó: to deem worthy. Original Word: καταξιόω Part of
    Speech: Verb Transliteration: kataxioó Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ax-ee-o ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/2661.htm - 13k


    Strong's Greek: 3543. νομίζω (nomizó) -- to practice ...

    ... Verb Transliteration: nomizó Phonetic Spelling: (nom-id'-zo) Definition: to practice,
    consider Usage: I practice, hold by custom; I deem, think, consider ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/3543.htm - 25k


    Strong's Greek: 5282. ὑπονοέω (huponoeó) -- to suspect ...

    ... of Speech: Verb Transliteration: huponoeó Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-on-o-eh'-o)
    Definition: to suspect, conjecture Usage: I conjecture, suppose, suspect, deem. ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/5282.htm - 12k


    Strong's Greek: 2233. ἡγέομαι (hégeomai) -- to lead ...

    ... 2. (like the Latinduco) equivalent to to consider, deem, account, think: with two
    accusatives, one of the objects, the other of the predicate, Acts 26:2 ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/2233.htm - 40k


    Strong's Greek: 3049. λογίζομαι (logizomai) -- to reckon ...

    ... b. to suppose, deem, judge: absolutely, 1 Corinthians 13:11; ὡς λογίζομαι, 1 Peter
    5:12; τί, anything relative to the promotion of the gospel, 2 ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/3049.htm - 41k


    Strong's Greek: 316. ἀναγκαῖος (anagkaios) -- necessary

    ... ἐστι followed by accusative with the infinitive, Acts 13:46; Hebrews
    8:3. ἀναγκαῖον ἡγεῖσθαι to deem necessary, followed by an ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/316.htm - 17k


    Strong's Greek: 3170. μεγαλύνω (megalunó) -- to make or ...

    ... a.). 2. to deem or declare great, ie to esteem highly, to extol, laud,
    celebrate: Luke 1:16; Acts 5:13; Acts 10:46; Acts 19:17. ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/3170.htm - 19k


    Strong's Greek: 725. ἁρπαγμός (harpagmos) -- the act of ...

    ... 2. a thing seized or to be seized, booty: ἁρπαγμόν ἡγεῖσθαι τί to deem anything
    a prlze — a thing to be seized upon or to be held fast ...
    //biblehub.com/str/greek/725.htm - 11k

    etc.
     
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    I have no idea why so many non-germane Greek words were posted in this thread:
    1) G2671, katara - a curse, but never translated as redeem or redemption
    2) G515
    3) G2661
    4) G3543
    5) G5282
    6) G2233
    7) G3049
    8) G316
    9) G3170
    10) G725

    Possibly an effort to derail the thread, changing the subject of study from redemption to "deem?"

    Where does scripture say we are delivered from the consequence of sin, the decrees against us? In Him!
    How is this redemption from the penalty of sin accomplished? God places us individually into Christ spiritually.

    And this transfer, this redemption, this loosening out of our condemnation is solely an action of God alone, on the basis of Him crediting our faith (or not) as righteousness.

    Thus when we are spiritually in the body of Christ, we are within His propitiatory shelter which because of His shedding of blood, cleanses us from all (past, present and future) unrighteousness. Thus God's wrath toward us is turned aside when we are placed into Christ, thus redeemed.

    What are some of the words or phrases used to refer to this transfer, this redemption?
    1) Called - 1 Corinthians 1:9, Galatians 5:13, 1 Peter 2:9
    2) Sanctified or Sanctifying or Sanctification (meaning set apart) - John 17:9, Acts 20:32, Acts 26:18, 1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:11, Hebrews 2:11, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14, 1 Peter 1:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13
    3) Believes in (eis=into) - John 3:15, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 4:39, John 6:40, Acts 10:43, etc
    4) Baptized into - Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, and Galatians 3:27

    Also, whenever a believer is referred to as a "saint" they have been set apart (sanctified) into Christ.
    Philippians 4:1. Romans 1:7, Romans 8:27, Romans 16:2, 1 Corinthians 1:2, Ephesians 1:1, Ephesians 2:19, Philippians 1:1, Colossians 1:2, Colossians 1:26 and 1 Thessalonians 3:13.
     
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    Romans 7:4
    Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

    Ephesians 4:12
    for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
     
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    Believing into Him (Christ, Jesus, the Son, the Lord)

    Many verses describe this action of God to transfer someone whose faith has been credited as righteousness into the body of Christ. However a good many of these statements are applied to people BEFORE Christ had died on the cross. Thus the meaning of the phrase in those cases is that they had gained approval on the basis of their faith to be redeemed, once Christ had gone to the cross.

    Here are some of the verses indicating individuals had believed (or not) into the body of Christ or had gained approval to be placed into Christ:
    John 2:11, John 3:15, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 3:36, John 4:39, John 5:24, John 6:29, John 6:40, John 7:31, John 7:39, John 7:48, John 8:30, John 9:36, John 10:42, John 11:45, John 12:37(not into), John 12:42, John 12:44, Acts 10:43, Acts 19:4, and Philippians 1:29.
     
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    Another Greek word, "aphesis" (G859) is used to describe the removal of what God held against us. It is frequently translated as "forgiveness" or "remission" and sometimes used in conjunction with "redemption" to describe our pardon in Christ due to His shedding of blood.

    Here is one of the 17 examples where the word appears in the NT:
    Ephesians 1:7
    In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
     
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    I thought the OP was one of your best. However I would like to ask. Especially relative to the transfer of the body; Was Christ preeminent in redemption ?

    In a way do we not see so in the phrase, He who did work us to this self-same thing, in 2 Cor 5:5
     
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    Thanks for the kind emoticon posted to the OP.
    2 Corinthians 5:1-5 says those who have been spiritually born anew, and have received the pledge of our Spirit of Adoption, look forward to our bodily redemption, where our mortal "clothing" is swallowed up by our glorified body. Yes Christ is the firstborn of many siblings, as He was first to be clothed in His glorified body, able to walk into locked rooms and ascend into the heavens. Thus we groan and look forward to Christ's second coming. (Note that first we are redeemed spiritually, which prepares us to be redeemed bodily.)
     
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    Redemption plan

    (1) God's plan of redemption included choosing Christ to be His redeemer, and thus He chose us [corporately or as a group and not individually] in Him before the foundation of the world - the group being those who Christ would redeem. You do not choose a redeemer without a plan to redeem.

    (2) Since this redemption plan was formulated before the foundation of the world, since He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, then when God saves someone individually during their lifetime, it is according to His foreknown plan. Thus in 1 Peter 1:1-2 when Peter writes: "...who were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father by the sanctifying work of the Spirit..." he is telling us God's plan was to choose people by spiritually placing them in Christ, and in Christ those chosen are redeemed. So by placing individuals in Christ spiritually (the sanctifying work of the Spirit) God places or puts us into that corporately elected group - those whom Christ would redeem - thus He chose us (those redeemed) corporately before the foundation of the world, and individually when He put us spiritually in Christ.

    The purpose of the redemption plan is to glorify God, not prove God is fair and just.

    "Every one who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made." Isaiah 43:7.

    When we repent from our self-centered ways and turn to God we bring glory to God, and because we are fallen, vessels of wrath, and predisposed to sin, we bring more glory to God when we repent and put our faith in God and His Christ.

    Who are the ones who are called by His name? Those that have heard and learned (believed) the gospel of Christ, they are "the called, the chosen and the faithful."

    The Redeemed.
     
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    Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

    Here those born anew are in view, the redeemed.

    Galatians 4:5
    so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might become children of God.

    Here those redeemed become spiritual children of God with our indwelt pledge for our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.
     
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    Redeemer, redeemed, redemption are commonly found words in our Bible. But what do these words mean? Does the concept of being redeemed refer to our spiritual redemption, when God puts us spiritually "in Christ" or to our physical redemption when we are bodily resurrected in our glorified bodies?

    Take look at Luke 21:28, Romans 8:23, Ephesians 1:14, and Ephesians 4:30. Are not all of these verses using the redemption concept to refer to our bodily resurrection?

    Then look at Romans 3:24, Ephesians 1:7, and Colossians 1:14. Are not all of these verses using the redemption concept to refer to our spiritual redemption when God puts us in Christ?
     
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    If we consider our spiritual redemption, as presented in Romans 3:24: we see that redemption is "in Christ" and redemption of obtained "through or by means of faith? We are redeemed through or by means of Christ's faithfulness, referring to His sacrifice on the cross.
     
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    One of the reasons, some think "redeemed" refers to paying the redemption price, rather than to the effected release accomplished because of that payment, is some translations render a word that means "purchase or buy" as "redeem."

    For example, "agorazo" (G59) means "purchase" or "to be in the market to do business." In several verses, (listed below) the word is used to refer to the "purchase" with His blood, Christ accomplished on the cross. This refers to the payment or ransom paid, however some translations mistranslate the word as "redeem."

    Here are the verses and the versions rendering purchase as redeem:
    1 Corinthians 6:20 WNT
    1 Corinthians 7:23 WNT
    2 Peter 2:1 GNT, WNT
    Revelation 5:9 KJV, NKJV, HCSB, NHEB, AFV, ABPE, KJ2000, AKJV, D-RB, WBT, and YLT
    Revelation 14:3 NIV, NLT, ESV, BSB, BLB, KJV, NKJV, CSB, CEV, GNT, ISV, NET, NHEB, AFV, ABPE, KJ2000, AKJV, WBT,
    WNT, and WEB​
    Revelation 14:4 ESV, BSB, BLB, KJV, NKJV, CSB, CEV, GNT, HCSB, ISV, NET, NHEB, ABPE, KJ2000, AKJV, WBT, WNT, and WEB.

    This clearly demonstrates that sometimes translators are too helpful with the message. Clearly the 144,000 in Revelation 14:3 had been "redeemed" out of the earth, but the text simply says there were bought or purchased. However only eight versions went with the actual meaning, the rest helped out providing corruption and confusion.
     
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    I believe some of what you said is grave error. Christ death redeemed them He died for, for they're in Him before the foundation of the world, Chosen in Him Eph 1:4.

    Now when Christ was made a curse, that is died on the cross, everyone Christ died for was as a result redeemed from the curse of the law Gal 3:13

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

    The word redeemed here is
    exagorazō and means:

      1. by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off

      2. metaph. of Christ freeing the elect from the dominion of the Mosaic Law at the price of his vicarious death

      3. They have been redeemed from the cursing power of the law.
    1. This is not because of their faith, repentance, or any obedience of theirs, but soely by Christ having been made a curse for them.
     
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    You can believe what you will, just do not think your view reflects biblical doctrine. Your view unsupported nonsense.

    No one was redeemed automatically when Christ died for all mankind, because God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

    1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes anyone being "in Him" before we were once not a people and had not received mercy. It is a lock.

    Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

    The "us" are those who are of faith, Galatians 3:9, not those who have not been placed into Christ.

    Therefore, those placed in Christ have been indeed "redeemed" (exagorazō)
     
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    How were these believers redeemed from the curse of the law according to this scripture Gal 3:13

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
     
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    Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

    The "us" are those who are of faith, Galatians 3:9, not those who have not been placed into Christ.
    Therefore, those placed in Christ have been indeed "redeemed" (exagorazō)

    Brighfame52 appears to claim a lack of understanding that to be redeemed includes being redeemed from the curse of the Law or that being placed into Christ spiritually by God is our redemption from the curse of the Law.
     
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