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Moore Or Less

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    link: Beth Moore Says She’s No Longer Southern Baptist

    Beth Moore Says She’s No Longer Southern Baptist
    The popular Bible teacher, author, and advocate for abuse victims decides to leave the denomination that used to be her “safe place.”
    BOB SMIETANA – RELIGION NEWS SERVICE|MARCH 9, 2021 01:54 PM

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    For nearly three decades, Beth Moore has been the very model of a modern Southern Baptist.

    She loves Jesus and the Bible and has dedicated her life to teaching others why they need both of them in their lives. Millions of evangelical Christian women have read her Bible studies and flocked to hear her speak at stadium-style events where Moore delves deeply into biblical passages.

    Moore’s outsize influence and role in teaching the Bible have always made some evangelical power brokers uneasy, because of their belief only men should be allowed to preach.

    But Moore was above reproach, supporting Southern Baptist teaching that limits the office of pastor to men alone and cheerleading for the missions and evangelistic work that the denomination holds dear.

    “She has been a stalwart for the Word of God, never compromising,” former Lifeway Christian Resources President Thom Rainer said in 2015, during a celebration at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center in Nashville that honored 20 years of partnership between the Southern Baptist publishing house and Moore. “And when all is said and done, the impact of Beth Moore can only be measured in eternity’s grasp.”

    Then along came Donald Trump.

    Moore’s criticism of the 45th president’s abusive behavior toward women and her advocacy for sexual abuse victims turned her from a beloved icon to a pariah in the denomination she loved all her life.

    “Wake up, Sleepers, to what women have dealt with all along in environments of gross entitlement & power,” Moore once wrote about Trump, riffing on a passage from the New Testament Book of Ephesians.

    Because of her opposition to Trump and her outspokenness in confronting sexism and nationalism in the evangelical world, Moore has been labeled as “liberal” and “woke” and even as being a heretic for daring to give a message during a Sunday morning church service.

    Finally, Moore had had enough. She told Religion News Service in an interview Friday that she is “no longer a Southern Baptist.”

    “I am still a Baptist, but I can no longer identify with Southern Baptists,” Moore said in the phone interview. “I love so many Southern Baptist people, so many Southern Baptist churches, but I don’t identify with some of the things in our heritage that haven’t remained in the past.”
    Moore told RNS that she recently ended her longtime publishing partnership with Nashville-based Lifeway Christian. While Lifeway will still distribute her books, it will no longer publish them or administer her live events. (Full disclosure: The author of this article is a former Lifeway employee.)

    Kate Bowler, a historian at Duke Divinity School who has studied evangelical women celebrities, said Moore’s departure is a significant loss for the Southern Baptist Convention.

    Moore, she said, is one of the denomination’s few stand-alone women leaders, whose platform was based on her own “charisma, leadership and incredible work ethic” and not her marriage to a famed pastor. (Moore’s husband is a plumber by trade.) She also appealed to a wide audience outside her denomination.

    “Ms. Moore is a deeply trusted voice across the liberal-conservative divide, and has always been able to communicate a deep faithfulness to her tradition without having to follow the Southern Baptist’s scramble to make Trump spiritually respectable,” Bowler said. “The Southern Baptists have lost a powerful champion in a time in which their public witness has already been significantly weakened.”

    Moore may be one of the most unlikely celebrity Bible teachers in recent memory. In the 1980s, she began sharing devotionals during the aerobics classes she taught at First Baptist Church in Houston. She then began teaching a popular women’s Bible study at the church, which eventually attracted thousands each week.

    In the early 1990s, she wrote a Bible study manuscript and sent it to Lifeway, then known as the Baptist Sunday School Board, where it was rejected. However, after a Lifeway staffer saw Moore teach a class in person, the publisher changed its mind.

    Moore’s first study, “A Woman’s Heart: God’s Dwelling Place,” was published in 1995 and was a hit, leading to dozens of additional studies, all backed up by hundreds of hours of research and reflecting Moore’s relentless desire to know more about the Bible.

    From 2001 to 2016, Moore’s Living Proof Ministries ran six-figure surpluses, building its assets from about a million dollars in 2001 to just under $15 million by April 2016, according to reports filed with the Internal Revenue Service. Her work as a Bible teacher has permeated down to small church Bible study groups and sold-out stadiums with her Living Proof Live events.

    For Moore, the Southern Baptist Convention was her family, her tribe, her heritage. Her Baptist church where she grew up in Arkadelphia, Arkansas, was a refuge from a troubled home where she experienced sexual abuse.

    “My local church, growing up, saved my life,” she told RNS. “So many times, my home was my unsafe place. My church was my safe place.”

    As an adult, she taught Sunday school and Bible study and then, with her Lifeway partnership, her life became deeply intertwined with the denomination. She believed in Jesus. And she also believed in the SBC.

    In October 2016, Moore had what she called “the shock of my life,” when reading the transcripts of the “Access Hollywood” tapes, where Trump boasted of his sexual exploits with women.

    “This wasn’t just immorality,” she said. “This smacked of sexual assault.”
     
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    So is she still a member of a SBC church?

    Or has she joined a non- SBC church

    The story above states she complained about Trump
    But has she said anything about NY Governer Cuomo ?

    I just googled - and did not find anything

    (A sixth victim has come forward today)
     
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    Biden?

    Kamala's promotions?
     
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    She insists on doing men's work in preaching and teaching, which is against the holy judgement of God in scripture.
    She is worldly rich
    She is well loved, many speak well of her
    She chafes against God's judgement that men will rule over her like Psalm 2 says, they want to cast off God's cords from them.

    Gen 3
    16 To the woman He said:

    “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
    In pain you shall bring forth children;
    Your desire shall be for your husband,
    And he shall rule over you.”

    If you notice Paul ties this judgement of God as still in effect in 1 Timothy 2, regarding women being ruled by men and childbearing
    Many women don't agree today with this judgment from God saying it's misogynistic. ( strongly prejudiced against women.)

    Jesus said
    20 Then He lifted up His eyes toward His disciples, and said:

    “Blessed are you poor,
    For yours is the kingdom of God.
    21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
    For you shall be filled.
    Blessed are you who weep now,
    For you shall laugh.
    22 Blessed are you when men hate you,
    And when they exclude you,
    And revile you, and cast out your name as evil,
    For the Son of Man’s sake.
    23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy!
    For indeed your reward is great in heaven,
    For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

    Jesus Pronounces Woes
    24 “But woe to you who are rich,
    For you have received your consolation.
    25 Woe to you who are full,
    For you shall hunger.
    Woe to you who laugh now,
    For you shall mourn and weep.
    26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
    For so did their fathers to the false prophets.

    1 Timothy 2
    5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

    Men and Women in the Church
    8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved (alive, many women die in childbirth, it is a dangerous time) in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
     
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    Beth Moore – Michelle Lesley
    They say God called them to teach and preach to men. Why would God call them to do that when He already said no as in had it written down for all to read.

    Do you follow someone like Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer, Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, or Paula White? These women all say that God “called” them to do what they do, which includes preaching to and instructing men in the church setting.

    Do you believe them when they say God “called” them? If so, you’re believing their supposed experience over the crystal clear word of God in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 (and plenty of other passages) which expressly forbids women from instructing men in the Scriptures or holding authority over men in the church.
     
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    Beth Moore Falsely Claims 'White Supremacy' is Running Rampant in 'Much of the Church'

    August 8, 2020 News Division
    False teacher Beth Moore, a woman who may soon rise to become Southern Baptist Convention President if the woke scoldettes of the SBC have anything to say about it, has again garnered the praise of the condemned and the condemnation of the praiseworthy when she tweeted out a string of posts claiming that among other things:
    White Supremacy has held tight in much of the church for so long because the racists outlasted the anti-racists.
     
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    Are Christians zealously defending and supporting Cuomo and disregarding the testimony of the ones making the allegations? I haven't seen or heard anything to that effect. That's the obvious difference.
     
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    No, the difference is that because Cuomo is a Dem, despite his purposely appalling record in handling the pandemic in New York, he has been hailed as a hero by the lying Dem media. His mass murdering of nursing home patients was exposed long ago, but ignored by them.

    The fact that his mass murdering was even more extensive than reported due to a coverup and is only now coming to light just emphasizes what a total lie the Dem media really are. The Dem mainstream media is a massive enemy of the people.
     
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    You are making a political rant.

    I was talking about a question regarding whether or not Beth Moore has criticized Cuomo for sexual abuse allegations vs. her criticism of Christians who supported candidate and eventual President Donald Trump who had extensive and credible sexual abuse allegations against him -- as well as his own bragging of a sexual assault against a married woman ("...I moved on her like a b***h. I couldn't get there and she was married.").

    Even people here also shrugged and advised me that character didn't matter ('we are electing a Commander-in-Chief, not a pastor-in-chief').

    That prophetic word made many Trump supporters hate her and they have not forgiven her for exposing their hypocrisy or being a woman who commands more respect in the world as a Christian leader than they do.
     
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    In other words, Beth Moore needn’t criticize anyone who supports Cuomo, because none of them are Christians. Or, in other words, Beth Moore needn’t criticize Christians who support mass murderers in office. Gotcha.
     
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    No, you should use my words instead of twisting them to distort the meaning.

    I said nothing of the sort.

    Isn't it strange how you keep having to twist my meaning to attempt to defame me and others?

    Nope. I said, nor meant, nothing of the sort.

    You are simply a liar and defamer.

    "The one who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
    - Revelation 21:7-9
     
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    The only ones doing that are the Dems and the media!
     
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    Not interested in trying to defame you. Your claim was itself an attempt to defame. However, what or whom you side with may make you look bad, an important point.

    It is a twisted lie to say that I said the other words were your own words. The expression was used to say those are possible implications of them.

    Through their abortion and infanticide policies, the Dems are purveyors of mass murder. Cuomo just added to that list. Christians who support the Dems, Cuomo included, should be called out for all of this. But maybe Beth is doing that.

    The Dems have no moral standards, including those from the verse you quoted, but they will use yours against you. Beth, and others like her, would do well to realize this. It would help her understand why some don’t fall for the Dem MSM controlled narrative regarding who is the more qualified for office. etc.
     
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    Please give examples of "the Dems and the media!" supporting Cuomo since these allegations have come out? I haven't watch much news this week, except for a little bit of MSNBC, and I haven't heard a word of support. I haven't read any support in the Washington Post, nor the New York Times.

    What media sources and "Dems" are you citing?
     
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    Far as I know, no Dem in Congress asked him yet to resign!
     
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    A lot of Dems are demanding his resignation!
     
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    Very good for them, that would be welcomed!
     
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    IMHO, I think the reason they are demanding his resignation is because they are afriad that with Cumon heading the ballot, they may loose their elections next year.
     
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