God Who is The Saviour of the Human Race

[atpollard]

Thus far no one has been able to refute what I have said in the OP, that God is indeed the SAVIOUR of the entire human race, but this is only is effective when the sinner repents of their sins, and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord. The distinction between "all humans", and "those who believe", is clear. The latter are from the former, and as the latter are the "saved", the former are clearly not, even though it says that God is their Saviour. This is not theology, but pure Bible!

"no one has been able to refute what I have said" ... that would be because the WORDS are true, however it is your definition of those words that is contrary to the Gospel.

1. "God is indeed the SAVIOUR of the entire human race"
   • Revelation 5:9-10 [NKJV] 9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
2. "this is only is effective when the sinner repents of their sins, and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord."
   • John 3:16 [NKJV] 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
     
   • John 6:44 [NKJV] 44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
   • John 10:25-31 [NKJV] 25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. 26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given [them] to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of My Father's hand. 30 "I and [My] Father are one." 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
   • Romans 10:8-10 [NKJV] 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   • Ephesians 1:3-14 [NKJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him you also [trusted], after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Reread Matthew 22:1-14 and see how all were invited, none came willingly, many were compelled to hear, and few were chosen to attend.

 

[AustinC]

OP, Please reconcile:

John 10:25-26
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.

1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

atpollard, excellent post regarding the truth that believers come from every nation, tribe and tongue.

 

[Dave G]

“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of the entire human race, especially of those who believe”

I'm not sure where you found the above ( perhaps it is a paraphrase? Tishendorf's 8th Edition? UBS4?), but the Greek that I use says:
" εις τουτο γαρ και κοπιωμεν και ονειδιζομεθα οτι ηλπικαμεν επι θεω ζωντι ος εστιν σωτηρ παντων ανθρωπων μαλιστα πιστων",

https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1ti4.pdf
ONLINE TEXTUS RECEPTUS and KING JAMES 1 Timothy 4
Interlinear Bible: 1 Timothy 4:10 - Textus Receptus Bibles

In the English:
" For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." ( 1 Timothy 4:10 ).

In the Spanish:
" Que por esto aun trabajamos y sufrimos oprobios, porque esperamos en el Dios viviente, el cual es Salvador de todos los hombres, mayormente de los que creen." ( 1 Timothy 4:10, Reina-Valera 1909 )


That said,
God is indeed the Savior ( Deliverer ) of all men even though He did not send His Son to save all of them ( Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, John 10:11, John 10:15, John 17:2 ) in the eternal sense, and He does not choose to have mercy and compassion on all ( Romans 9:14-24 )... but rather saves a remnant out of every nation ( Matthew 7:13-14, Romans 9:27, Romans 11:5, Micah 2:12, Isaiah 10:20-22, Isaiah 11:16, Ezra 9:8, Jeremiah 23:1-7, Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 ).

I'm reminded of Psalms 107, where even rebellious men cry out to the Lord and He, in His mercy and the goodness that leads men to repentance ( Romans 2:1-11 ), delivers them should He choose to do so.


Truly He is the Saviour ( Deliverer ) of all men, especially of those that believe.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I'm not sure where you found the above ( perhaps it is a paraphrase? Tishendorf's 8th Edition? UBS4?), but the Greek I use says:
" εις τουτο γαρ και κοπιωμεν και ονειδιζομεθα οτι ηλπικαμεν επι θεω ζωντι ος εστιν σωτηρ παντων ανθρωπων μαλιστα πιστων",

https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1ti4.pdf
ONLINE TEXTUS RECEPTUS and KING JAMES 1 Timothy 4

In the English:
" For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." ( 1 Timothy 4:10 ).

In the Spanish:
" Que por esto aun trabajamos y sufrimos oprobios, porque esperamos en el Dios viviente, el cual es Salvador de todos los hombres, mayormente de los que creen." ( 1 Timothy 4:10, Reina-Valera 1909 )


That said,
God is indeed the Savior ( Deliverer ) of all men even though He did not send His Son to save all of them, and He does not choose to have mercy and compassion on all ( Romans 9:14-24 ), but rather saves a remnant out of every nation ( Romans 9:27, Romans 11:5, Micah 2:12, Isaiah 10:20-22, Isaiah 11:16, Ezra 9:8, Jeremiah 23:1-7, Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 ).

I'm reminded of Psalms 107, where even rebellious men cry out to the Lord and He, in His mercy and the goodness that leads men to repentance ( Romans 2:1-11 ), delivers them should He choose to do so.


Truly He is the Saviour ( Deliverer ) of all men, especially of those that believe.

since the "believers" are from the "all men", it is plain that the "all men" must mean the "entire human race". It can't mean "part of the human race".

 

[AustinC]

since the "believers" are from the "all men", it is plain that the "all men" must mean the "entire human race". It can't mean "part of the human race".

Therefore all the human race must be saved... (is the continuation of your thought)

 

[Dave G]

since the "believers" are from the "all men", it is plain that the "all men" must mean the "entire human race".

I agree.

It can't mean "part of the human race".

See my post above, as well as Romans 11:1-7.
The "whosoever believeth" only makes up a small fraction of the human race.

See Matthew 7:13-14.
Few there be that find it.

Therefore, if you've truly believed on Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, then you have something that most men and women will not ever have.
Sobering, isn't it?

That God would condescend to forgive any of us amazes me.

 

[Primordial Gnosis]

Romans 11:32 He hath concluded them all in unbelief that he might have mercy on all.

I Timothy 2
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How can anyone miss it?

 

[AustinC]

Romans 11:32 He hath concluded them all in unbelief that he might have mercy on all.

I Timothy 2
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How can anyone miss it?

If you read without understanding the whole you can grab a sentence from here and there and create a theology that is contrary to the whole.

You imagine people are missing something. I suggest you keep reading all of scripture so that you might rightly discern the word of God.

 

[Primordial Gnosis]

If you read without understanding the whole you can grab a sentence from here and there and create a theology that is contrary to the whole.

You imagine people are missing something. I suggest you keep reading all of scripture so that you might rightly discern the word of God.

Feel free to address the scriptures themselves. A sentence will not contradict the whole unless you subscribe to faulty translations and unspiritual interpretations.
After you've addressed them, tell me what "All Things" means in Romans 11:36 "For out of him and through him and to him are All Things, to him be glory forever, Amen".

 

[AustinC]

Feel free to address the scriptures themselves. A sentence will not contradict the whole unless you subscribe to faulty translations and unspiritual interpretations.
After you've addressed them, tell me what "All Things" means in Romans 11:36 "For out of him and through him and to him are All Things, to him be glory forever, Amen".

It is best that you read the entire word of God.
By the way, your comments seem nearly identical to MBA's.

I find that person's who twist and claim only certain translations are valid, but others aren't, generally are involved in a very legalistic church that misunderstands grace.

I look forward to you sharing how the whole of scripture helps you understand a passage.

 

[Dave G]

Feel free to address the scriptures themselves. A sentence will not contradict the whole unless you subscribe to faulty translations and unspiritual interpretations.

" And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." ( Matthew 1:21 ).

" I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." ( John 10:11 ).

" As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep." ( John 10:15 ).

" He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." (Isaiah 53:8).

" He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isaiah 53:11).

" And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that] were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." ( Hebrews 9:15 ).

" For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." ( Hebrews 10:14 ).

Just as the Scriptures show that Moses sprinkled the book and only the people who were under the covenant of Law with the blood,
so Christ "sprinkled" the people and the covenant that He had made holy by His own blood.

As you have said, a sentence will not contradict the whole,
and the truth of the whole is a definite redemption and a definite atonement for a certain people, God's elect and precious children and no one else.


May God bless you greatly in your studies.

 

[Alan Gross]

1 Timothy 4:10

“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of the entire human race, especially of those who believe”

παντων ανθρωπων, here is the equivalent of “the entire human race”. This is also made very clear from what Paul says next, “μαλιστα πιστων”, which is, “most of all believers”. It is also clear here, that “παντων ανθρωπων” cannot be limited to “the elect” only, or those who are “saved”, as this is what “μαλιστα πιστων” refers to. Some have sought to weaken the reference to the Salvation of the entire human race, buy suggesting that “σωτήρ” here is not translated by the English “Saviour”, but, rather, “Preserver”. This noun is used 24 times in the New Testament, and in every instance Bible Versions like the KJV, have always used “Saviour”. So, why would its meaning change only at this place? No doubt because of theological reasons, as this verse is yet another, like John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; 2 Peter 3:9, that very clearly teach that The Lord Jesus Christ IS the Saviour, not only for “the elect”, as some would have us believe, but, for every single human being that ever has and will exist. This is the plain, Biblical meaning of these, and many other verses, which is what the Holy Spirit intends that we accept, but there are some who will still argue with the Teachings of the Holy Bible!

In Galatians 6:10, Paul tells us, “So then, as we have opportunity, let us work that which is good toward all men (παντας), and especially toward them that are of the household of the faith”. Note the contrast here. “all men…especially”. Again, very clear, that “all men” means “the entire human race”, and “the household of the faith”, refers to all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, the saved.

While Jesus Christ died for and is the Saviour of the entire human race, it is evident, that only those who will “repent of their sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-5, 24:47; Acts 2:37-38; 3:19, etc), will be saved. This is what Paul tells us in Romans 3:23-26:

“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”

“put forward”, is in the Greek, “προτίθημι”, which can be translated, “offered”, where Jesus Christ is “offered” as the sin-offering (ιλαστηριον) for the sins of every human being. However, as we can see from verse 26, only those who have faith in Jesus Christ, as their personal Saviour and Lord, and actually “Justified” with the Lord, and become His children. This is the Gospel of the Holy Bible.

The theory of a limit on the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, as being only for a select few, is again shown as contrary to what the Word of God actually teaches.

reference
Saviour of all men;
in a providential way, giving them being and breath, upholding them in their beings, preserving their lives, and indulging them with the blessings and mercies of life;

for that he is the Saviour of all men, with a spiritual and everlasting salvation, is not true in fact.

Specially of those that believe;
whom though he saves with an eternal salvation;

yet not of this, but of a temporal salvation, are the words to be understood: or as there is a general providence, which attends all mankind, there is a special one which relates to the elect of God;

these are regarded in Providence, and are particularly saved and preserved before conversion, in order to be called;

and after conversion, after they are brought to believe in Christ, they are preserved from many enemies, and are delivered out of many afflictions and temptations;

and are the peculiar care and darlings of providence, being to God as the apple of his eye: and there is a great deal of reason to believe this, for if he is the Saviour of all men, then much more of them who are of more worth, value, and esteem with him, than all the world beside;

and if they are saved by him with the greater salvation, then much more with the less; and if he the common Saviour of all men, and especially of saints, whom he saves both ways, then there is great reason to trust in him for the fulfilment of the promises of life, temporal and eternal, made to godliness, and godly persons.

This epithet of God seems to be taken out of ( Psalms 17:7 ) where he is called (Myowx eyvwm) , "the Saviour of them that trust", or believe.

 

[Alan Gross]

Yes, as the Ark was the savior of the whole world in the days of Noah.

ahhhhh....

 

[percho]

I have a question.

The last enemy to be eliminated is death. 1 Cor 15:26 NET pick any translation you like. That one was random.

See that, dead, dried up flea over there, been that way since 1121 BC.

The last enemy to be eliminated is death.

What is the only way to bring that about?

Just a thought.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Who does the writing?

 

[SavedByGrace]

in a providential way, giving them being and breath, upholding them in their beings, preserving their lives, and indulging them with the blessings and mercies of life;

question, in every other use σωτὴρ in the NT, it is always understood in the spiritual sense. So why would this change only here, if not for theology?

 

[Alan Gross]

question, in every other use σωτὴρ in the NT, it is always understood in the spiritual sense. So why would this change only here, if not for theology?

language, context, inspiration, Revelation, to Worship God.

 

[SavedByGrace]

language, context, inspiration, Revelation, to Worship God.

your just your "reformed" theology?

 

[Alan Gross]

your just your "reformed" theology?

I have no acciciation with 'reformed' theology.

Nothing needed to be reformed.

Baptist-teaching church assemblies have existed throughout the Church Age Millennium ( The Inter-Advental Period of a seemingly endless period of time that nonetheless has a Termination, i.e., The End of Time and The World, with The Second Coming of Jesus.)

 

[SavedByGrace]

I have no acciciation with 'reformed' theology.

Nothing needed to be reformed.

Baptist-teaching church assemblies have existed throughout the Church Age Millennium ( The Inter-Advental Period of a seemingly endless period of time that nonetheless has a Termination, i.e., The End of Time and The World, with The Second Coming of Jesus.)

Your reasoning here and elsewhere is clearly "reformed"

 

[Alan Gross]

Your reasoning here and elsewhere is clearly "reformed"

If 'reformed' borrowed from The Bible that's great.

If they add or take away that's not.

Believers called and Commissioned to preach Christ, in His Churches, predate reformers 1600 years, minimum.

Adam sinned and all his offspring are dead in trespasses and sins.

That did not begin in the 1600s.