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Beginning of General Baptist v Particular Baptist Disagreement

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AustinC, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. AustinC

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    From "Christianity Through the Centuries" by Cairns. The origins of the General Baptists (Arminian) and Particular Baptists (Calvinist). GeneralBaptistvParticularBaptist.jpg
     
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    I didn't realize the original Arminian Baptists practiced baptism by pouring (affusion), not immersion.
     
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    Yea....what do you expect!
     
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    I thought they split over the color of the drapes?:Biggrin
     
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    Which edition are you reading?
     
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    1981, p338
     
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    Many of the Continental Anabaptists also practiced effusion. It had nothing to do with their Arminianism.
     
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    The General Baptists learned affusion from the Mennonites they met in Holland. This was also where they adopted Arminian theology.
     
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    It is reworded in later editions, perhaps to prevent readers from jumping to false conclusion that affusion/immersion at any point in time served to distinguish General and Particular Baptists. The General Baptists existed first, but both groups embraced immersion at the same time (early 1640s).

    In fact, "the first work in England during the seventeenth century that favoured immersion as a form of baptism" was General Baptist Edward Barber's A Small Treatise of Baptisme or Dipping (1841).
     
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    "the first work in England during the seventeenth century that favoured immersion as a form of baptism" was General Baptist Edward Barber's A Small Treatise of Baptisme or Dipping (1̶8̶4̶1̶ 1641).
     
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    Though a Brownist, Jacob allowed that the church of England was a true church in need of a thorough reformation.

    Robert Browne (1550s – 1633) was the founder of the Brownists, a common designation for early Separatists from the Church of England before 1620. In later life he was reconciled to the established church and became an Anglican priest.


    John Spilsbury was born in 1593 in London[1] He was a cobbler at Aldersgate. He was a member of a London Separatist church, which he left in 1633, because of his position on believer's baptism. [2]

    You guys forget what REFORMERS means. They recognize the TRUTH, And yet you would be damning what they recognize today.


    They baptized you.......Who baptized these guys?
     
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