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  1. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

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    While speaking to His disciples about Lazarus, Jesus said:

    Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, if he sleep he shall do well. Howbeit, Jesus spoke of his death; but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. John 11:11-14 King James Version (KJV)

    The disciples were confused and thought Christ meant natural sleep, but He meant the sleep of death.
    On His arrival Jesus found that Lazarus had already been four days in the tomb. John 11:17 King James Version (KJV)

    While conversing with Martha, He tried to comfort her by saying,
    'Thy brother shall rise again.' Martha saith unto him, 'I know that He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' John 11:23,24 King James Version (KJV)

    Martha knew that life would be restored to Lazarus only in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus demonstrated through the resurrection of Lazarus that He was the One who could resurrect the dead according to His claim:

    John 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
    I am the resurrection and the life.

    The Scriptures in both Old and New Testaments are very clear on this issue. Life to the dead will be restored in the resurrection on the last day.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-58 King James Version (KJV)
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
     
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    There are many verses in the Bible on it, and clearly a bodily resurrection...

    Psalm 17:15 King James Version (KJV)
    15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

    Job 14:10-15 King James Version (KJV)
    10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
    11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
    12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
    13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
    14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
    15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

    Job 19:25-26 King James Version
    25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
    26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
     
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    Hobie Well-Known Member

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    They are free from the sting of death, and will no longer be under its curse..

    1 Corinthians 15:54-56 King James Version (KJV)
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    Luke 20:35-36 King James Version (KJV)
    35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Proverbs 14:27 King James Version (KJV)
    The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
     
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    At the end, there will be separate resurrections for the righteous and for the wicked. John 5:28-29 states:

    John 5:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
    28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    Luke 14:14 King James Version (KJV)
    And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

    So we find two resurrections at the end of time:

    Acts 24:15 King James Version (KJV)
    And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

    So we see clearly that Jesus Christ taught two resurrections, "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." and we find ..."there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust." Thus both Jesus Christ and Paul taught two resurrections, the first being "the resurrection of life" for the saved, the second being "the resurrection of damnation" for the lost.

    And the first resurrection is of the saints not the wicked as the verses make clear...

    Revelation 20:5 King James Version (KJV)
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    The wicked are going to suffer the second death which is damnation in the lake of fire. The saints are resurrected and are taken up by Christ at the Second Coming to the heavenly kingdom.

    Revelation 20:6 King James Version (KJV)
    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
     
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    So we see that Gods Word and Jesus Himself taught two resurrections...

    One of the saints at the Second Coming, He raises up and takes with him to heaven, and are reigning in heaven with Jesus. Then you have the wicked struck down by His coming and left for dead on earth. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." (Rev 20:5) These unrighteous wicked are dead. "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth". (Rev 20:7-8) Although not explicitly stated, it is obvious the unrighteous dead were resurrected after the 1000 years ended. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection". (Rev 20:6) Specifying the "first" resurrection implies a second resurrection.

    So lets see what resurrection is from the Bible, as some are teaching error saying people are being resurrected now as spirits or floating playing harps on a cloud but that is not correct as the resurrection of all the saints that are sleeping is at the end and has not happened yet.

    2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

    The resurrection of the saints from the grave is at the second coming, and it is in bodily form like Lazurus, not some spirit floating around, and it is from the grave not being plucked from the fields or rooftop.

    John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    Jesus taught that even if people died they would be raised up.

    John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    And when he died at the cross, there were firstfruits of the saints that were raised from the grave, but the resurrection of the saints is when Christ comes.

    Matthew 27:52-53 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    The saints who believed would be resurrected by Christ just as he was resurrected in bodily form.

    Acts 4:2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    And this was being taught as a firm doctrine to the believers along with the final judgement.

    Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

    Some did not believe even back then in resurrection from the grave of the saints as seen in these verses.

    Acts 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

    Acts 23:6-8 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.7And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. 8For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

    So the wicked are resurrected for damnation as Christ Himself says, which is the second death which is final.
     
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    So lets look at that...

    Revelation 2:11
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    Revelation 20:6
    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:14
    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    Revelation 21:8
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
     
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    So we see this is the lake of fire at the end. So what happens there to the wicked, lets look at some text which describe what happens to the wicked...

    Psalm 73:19
    How they are destroyed in a moment!
    They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!

    Psalm 92:7
    That when the wicked sprouted up like grass
    And all who did iniquity flourished,
    It was only that they might be destroyed forevermore.

    Proverbs 10:29
    The way of the Lord is a stronghold to the upright,
    But ruin to the workers of iniquity.

    Ezekiel 13:14
    So I will tear down the wall which you plastered over with whitewash and bring it down to the ground, so that its foundation is laid bare; and when it falls, you will be consumed in its midst. And you will know that I am the Lord.

    Hosea 7:13
    Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me!
    Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me!
    I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me.

    Philippians 1:28
    in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.

    Romans 9:22
    What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

    Philippians 3:19
    whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.

    2 Thessalonians 1:9
    These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

    2 Timothy 2:14
    Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.

    2 Peter 2:3
    and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

    2 Peter 2:12
    But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,

    2 Peter 3:7
    But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
     
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    An unbibical assertion. The the unrighteous dead are not resurrected until Revelation 20:11-15.
     
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    We are told that the righteous are resurrected at Christs coming, but the wicked dead are not brought up till the damnation when they meet their end at the lake of fire after the 1000 years of the Millennium.
     
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    There are more than two resurrections. The resurrections are classed as the First which is the resurrection of the saints. And the other which is the resurrection of the condemned.

    The numerical number 'first' is to be considered an ordinal number. Shows the type or position of the resurrection.

    Thus any resurrection of the saints is part of the First resurrection. Any resurrection of the condemned is part of the other or what is called the second resurrection, that of the condemned.

    Quantrill
     
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    There will definitely be resurrection during the 1,000 years reign of Jesus in Heaven and on Earth after the great tribulation.
     
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    Well are the wicked burning under our feet before they have been judged...

    Revelation 20:12-14
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
     
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    If they, like the rich man, are in the lower place in Sheol/Hades, Luke 16:23-24, ". . . And in hell [Hades] . . . I am tormented in this flame. . . ." Deuteronomy 32:22, Psalms 86:13.
     
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    Sheol in Hebrew is the grave, the Greek word Hades is put in and thus the confusion.
     
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    You and JWs. I believe the notion Sheol/Hades, the nether world, means a physical grave is an error.
     
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    Study it for yourself, look in the Jewish history and compare to the scriptures.
     
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    I have. The notion that the nether world is merely the physical placement in the earth, is error.
     
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    Even the Baptist see it means the grave as a norm.. "In the Old Testament, the most common way of describing Sheol is as the house of death. It is the realm of the dead, where all the dead go. This is even personified in Proverbs 1–9, where Lady Folly’s house, and the meal she serves there, is characterized by death. Humanity’s accuser, Satan, is prince over this house of the dead. Death is his hangman and his jailer. The dragon, the great serpent, has been cast down to eat dirt for the rest of his days, and the dirt he eats is that of his realm, the grave (Genesis 3:14).... What Is Sheol? Exploring the Afterlife in the Old Testament
     
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    Not every Baptist.
     
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