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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Apr 24, 2021.

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  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    What you fail to understand, without a general redemption there is no security by means of a particular redemption. John 15:2, "Every branch in Me . . . ." John 15:6 That does not abide.
     
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    That verse not teaching losing eternal life though!
     
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    That does not say only the elect are saved. Are you seeing things that just aren't there
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    You must have lost your mind. The scriptures say no such thing as you falsely claim. Why don't you just admit it? Calvinism is false. Scripture never even once suggest such heresy. It's all in your mind. It's just an imaginary doctrine. This is why you have failed to show proof of it.
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    Here's another. “The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” Revelation 17:8 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Is this one false too?

    And he is the propitiation for our sins:
    and not for ours only,
    but also for the sins of the whole world.
    1 John 2:2

    Oh, sorry. Did I type it wrong?

    And he is the propitiation for only our sins
    and just the elect only,
    not for anyone else's sins in the whole wide world.
     
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    Only to those who share your theology
     
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    Jesus, The Sin-Offering for the Whole World.
     
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    Like the Apostles?
     
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    What is the basis of getting saved, what God wants to do, or what we allow Him to be able to do?
     
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    Who else but the elect are saved? Regardless if one is a Calvinist or not, the saved are the elect of God!
     
    #71 Yeshua1, Apr 29, 2021
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    Not the ones in the Bible
     
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    Are you sure, as Paul held to it!
     
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    A very good presentation.
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    How could he when it is a false teaching
     
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    It's about acceptance of Christ. He does not save those who do not believe in Him. You've claimed he saved you with out any faith but scripture says you must believe to be saved I believe the Bible not men/
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    Not false, but a teaching!
     
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    I have never stated that God saves us apart from faith, but even that saving faith He grants towards us!
     
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    According to you guys
     
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    Just like I would state Unlimited atonement was a teaching, would not say was heresy!
     
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