Random KJVO Discussion Poll

[1689Dave]

Yes, I know scripture mentions the Trinity. It's how we know the truth about it.

The word trinity which they say is never mentioned?

 

[tyndale1946]

Yes, I know scripture mentions the Trinity. It's how we know the truth about it.

Right from the beginning of scripture it does and some may have trouble with it but I don't!... The first chapter of Genesis tell us in no uncertain terms there is a Godhead... I tell those who disagree, argue with scripture because it couldn't be any plainer... Brother Glen

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Btw... Who is US?

 

[Stratton7]

Right from the beginning of scripture it does and some may have trouble with it but I don't!... The first chapter of Genesis tell us in no uncertain terms there is a Godhead... I tell those who disagree, argue with scripture because it couldn't be any plainer... Brother Glen

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Btw... Who is US?

This reminds me of the organization AIG (Answers In Genesis). Genesis is the foundation, the footwork for everything that follows the rest of the Bible. That most answers can be found in the first 11 chapters of Genesis. Is worth checking out if you have any questions.

 

[Conan]

Brothers and sisters, these are the last days.

The Scriptures have much to say about what will occur during those days in passages like 2 Timothy 3:1-13, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Titus 1:10-11, Titus 1:15-16, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1:3, and Jude 1:10-16 among many others, and those things are occurring right before our very eyes.
People who profess to know God and yet deny the Lord in their actions, are all over the place...
They deny things that His word teaches, and yet maintain quite loudly that they are saved and that they love Him.

Instead of hearing God's words and inherently knowing them when they see them ( or hear them preached ), they question whether or not they really are God's words, and then engage in "textual criticism"... as if to say that the words on the page are not enough...that they must be persuaded by other influences outside of their spirit to be convinced that they really are the Lord's words.


Christ says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him ( John 10:27 ), that he that is "of God" hears ( welcomes or receives ) God's words ( John 8:43-47 ) ...
But it appears that most of today's professing Christians seem unable to ascertain which words are God's, and which are man's;
As if they don't have "ears to hear".

That said,
I confess that these last of the last days sadden me greatly... in that the condition of the church-at large is so very far from what it started out as being when the Lord ascended to Heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father.

But because of these perilous times, I know that His coming is very near.
Look up, my brothers and sisters who read this...
The times are very telling;
The lump has been fully leavened ( Matthew 13:33 ) and evil men and seducers have waxed worse and worse.

We shall know them by their fruits ( Matthew 7:15-20 ).
Those fruits ( Galatians 5:19-23 ), are readily apparent to those who are looking for them.



May God bless you with much wisdom, for He promises to give such if we ask Him for it ( James 1:5 ),
and may you always remember to look up, for your Salvation is much nearer now than when you first believed.

Everyone engages in textual criticism whether you know it or not. Every single person involved in "a" Textus Receptus was a textual critic. They all practiced textual criticism. Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza! The King James Translators practiced textual criticism. Other KJV editors that came after the original ones changed readings practicing textual criticism. You yourself practice textual criticism. Just the most primitive form, whatever your particular edition of the KJV you happen to use you think it is right verses all the others.

You are a textual critic, because you had to choose one reading over another one. God does not want you to be in the dark about how the Bible came to us, nor is there any reason to be afraid of variations in the Bible. They exist. They happened. Even between different editions of the KJV there are variations.

You seem like someone that cares about Gods word. But if all you do is think that the KJV is always right even in the face of overwhelming evidence then perhaps not as much as it appears.

May God lead and teach you in his word.

 

[Conan]

Right from the beginning of scripture it does and some may have trouble with it but I don't!... The first chapter of Genesis tell us in no uncertain terms there is a Godhead... I tell those who disagree, argue with scripture because it couldn't be any plainer... Brother Glen

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Btw... Who is US?

The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

 

[Conan]

The word trinity which they say is never mentioned?

Explain ?

 

[tyndale1946]

This reminds me of the organization AIG (Answers In Genesis). Genesis is the foundation, the footwork for everything that follows the rest of the Bible. That most answers can be found in the first 11 chapters of Genesis. Is worth checking out if you have any questions.

I'll make a note of that!... Thank you!... Some tell me you need to read other translations... No I don't!... Brethren I have been using the KJV strictly all seventy five years on this earth and I'm still not done with it... I know what it is and that is why I don't care for yours... Everyone on here knows what I read, study and quote and I only have one life... Brother Glen

Btw... Most on here that disagree are the ones who stoke the fire!

 

[robycop3]

The reason I keep going after the KJVO myth is that KJVOs keep trying to get newer Christians to believe it. Therefore I believe it's important that those new Christians have access to the FACTS about the KJVO myth-why it's false, why it's a myth, its origins, & especially its LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, even in the KJV itself. Thus, when some new KJVO pops up, it's time to counter him/her lest someone else is misled.

 

[1689Dave]

Explain ?

 

[1689Dave]

Trinity in scripture

The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three." Trinity - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found in:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

Some might object the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts. But Cyprian quoted it between 200 -258.

CYPRIAN 200-258 AD. Treatises (I 5:423). "and again it Is written of the Father, and of the Son. and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one' "

The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;” and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”

Cyprian of Carthage. (1886). On the Unity of the Church. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), R. E. Wallis (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 423). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

 

[Logos1560]

Btw... Most on here that disagree are the ones who stoke the fire!

You do not demonstrate your opinion to be correct.

The pride and arrogance of those who accept exclusive only claims for the KJV without proving them to be true or scriptural may stroke the fire.

The Scriptures including as translated in the KJV warn believers that they can deceive themselves. Believing assertions or claims that are not true is being deceived. Some believe assertions concerning the KJV that are not true.

Subjective personal experience and personal preferences do not make non-scriptural assertions to be Bible doctrine.

 

[Stratton7]

I'll make a note of that!... Thank you!... Some tell me you need to read other translations... No I don't!... Brethren I have been using the KJV strictly all seventy five years on this earth and I'm still not done with it... I know what it is and that is why I don't care for yours... Everyone on here knows what I read, study and quote and I only have one life... Brother Glen

Btw... Most on here that disagree are the ones who stoke the fire!

Anytime. It’s amazing stuff they speak of and their Noah’s Ark museum in KY.
I actually started out with MV’s and eventually found my way to the KJB being my only Bible(s) I use now too.

 

[Stratton7]

The reason I keep going after the KJVO myth is that KJVOs keep trying to get newer Christians to believe it. Therefore I believe it's important that those new Christians have access to the FACTS about the KJVO myth-why it's false, why it's a myth, its origins, & especially its LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, even in the KJV itself. Thus, when some new KJVO pops up, it's time to counter him/her lest someone else is misled.

You do realize most KJO’s think the exact same thing you do but with the MV’s misleading people? I do think anyone can learn enough from to get saved or by word of mouth from them, but it changes doctrines.
I just don’t see as many KJO’s really being too bothered though if one is set in their ways with them. Eg, I’ll share about it, but if the person wants to still use their version, so be it. Still welcomed to the church to learn and fellowship!
On the other hand, I see a lot of those that hold to the MV’s really pushing (as Tyndale said, stirring the pot) against those that hold to a KJO view.
I use my KJ”B” and I’m happy, are you?

 

[thomas15]

We relocated to the area we now live 18 years ago. Went to the closest Baptist Church for a little while, maybe 6 months, it was KJVO and you would know this within 5 minutes of stepping inside. On our first visit I took my well used NIV study Bible. Did not repeat that mistake. The pastor would mention the value of the KJV every single Sunday. There were of course other doctrinal and behavioral characteristics in-line with KJVO doctrine.

So, we shopped around and spent a few years in one church then another. Was in the latter assembly for 9 years.

Last November or December we started back at the original assembly, the KJVO where we got our first taste of KJVOism. Same pastor but I have to say the issue is far more toned down now. In 6 months we have there there has been 1 reference to the KJV and that was not in relationship to the KJVO position. Yes they use the KJV and I have no problem with that but things have certainly changed. Overall the atmosphere is not as uptight as it once was.

But I have also changed. I have my personal doctrinal position and I will say I'm willing to change my position if a Biblical reasoning can convince me that I'm wrong. But I don't have to be 100% in agreement with everyone nor do I now feel the need to impress anyone with my well reasoned belief system. I just want to go and worship my King, learn from his Word and fellowship with His people. I have yet to have the sit down discussion with the pastor and have never really spoken to him or anyone else there how I feel on this matter. When the sit-down comes I really don't know what I want to say on the matter or even if I will say anything at all. We have to make a decision on church membership soon.

Having said all of that I find the KJVO movement interesting. Same as with the modern preterist movement.

 

[JonC]

I once posted that everything has already been discussed here except cats using toilets. I was corrected and directed to a thread about cats using toilets.

But sometimes it can be beneficial for people to rehash old topics sometimes it is old to the forum but new to some of the participants.

It is like the Calvinist vs threads. Nothing new will be argued (and most of the time people are already set on their position). But people like to debate the topic nonetheless.

On any account, it doesn't hurt. Those of us who have been there are not forced to go there again.

 

[robycop3]

You do realize most KJO’s think the exact same thing you do but with the MV’s misleading people? I do think anyone can learn enough from to get saved or by word of mouth from them, but it changes doctrines.
I just don’t see as many KJO’s really being too bothered though if one is set in their ways with them. Eg, I’ll share about it, but if the person wants to still use their version, so be it. Still welcomed to the church to learn and fellowship!
On the other hand, I see a lot of those that hold to the MV’s really pushing (as Tyndale said, stirring the pot) against those that hold to a KJO view.
I use my KJ”B” and I’m happy, are you?

First-Are MVs CHANGINE doctrines or CORRECTING doctrines? The KJV has "Easter" in Acts 12:4. Surely you don't believe that the Jews whom Herod was trying to please, who hated Christians, were observing Easter? Surely, you don't believe love of money is THE root of ALL evil? Did Dylan Roof, who gunned down those people in a church, committing a great evil, do it for lova money ?

Actually, the KJVOs who believe as you said are WRONG. God is NOT limited in English to the KJV.

And, while I have no prob with the archaic English of the KJV, (Or earlier versions, either) not everyone can understand 17th c. English that well, especially those who didn't grow up using English.(It's one of the hardest languages for many to learn as a 2nd language.)

And yes, I'm happy using MODERN versions so, when witnessing, I can read or quote Scripture in the same language as my audience. (I study older versions as well.)

 

[Baptist4life]

*sigh* Did you ever watch the movie "Ground Hog Day"? The KJVO issue is the internet version of that movie!

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you for the insult.

You are talking about KJVO "preachers" (I don't know any), KJVO authors (who I've never met), and other unkown to me people who make those claims. I know of ONE church in my area, I have a friend who attends there, that is, I guess you could call them a KJVO church, since that's the only version their pastor uses. However, I've gone there with my friend a few times, and I've noticed people in the congregation, including myself, use all kinds of different versions. Never have I seen anyone wandering around checking to see if the congregation has the "right Bible" or not. Never have I heard the pastor tell anyone they weren't saved if they didn't use the KJV, that they couldn't attend unless they used the KJV, that all the other Bible versions were corrupt.

I've asked this question several times in this thread....do you PERSONALLY....I don't care about KJVO authors who wrote some book you read.........PERSONALLY know anyone who is guilty of all the things you accuse KJVO people of? ...........church splits?.....not saved?.......corrupt Bibles from Satan?..........I just DO NOT. So, I still find the whole issue......... drug out, beaten to death, exaggerated, and an obsession for SOME posters on here.

My goodness, you have someone on here who believes God created an entire OTHER race of people besides Adam and Eve, and that He created the different races separately! Yet, you defend him, or never question him about it, just because he agrees with you about the KJV issue! <----THAT, is something that is far more concerning to me.

Well, he did answer your request regarding any KJVO that would support only saved by the Kjv!

 

[Yeshua1]

Not from the original Greek. None of the Greek Fathers knew of the extra words from the Old Latin.

The Text of the Gospels: First John 5:7 and Greek Manuscripts

Eramus never found support for it to be included in his Greek text until ordered to do such by Rome!

 

[Yeshua1]

A pastor preaching or teaching only from the KJV is not what constitutes a KJV-only church or a KJV-only preacher. I have been members of Baptist churches where the pastor and teachers only taught from the KJV that were not KJV-only churches. I do not assume nor claim that a church is KJV-only because the pastor only preaches from the KJV. That can be an incorrect assumption. There are many Baptist churches where pastors preach only from the KJV that are not KJV-only.

Perhaps the church you visited was not actually even a KJV-only church so that you could be partially basing your understanding about KJV-only on experience from a church that was not KJV-only.

Whether the pastor or church is KJV-only depends upon what they claim, believe, and teach concerning the KJV (whether they make any exclusive only claims for the KJV or teach a KJV-only view).

My Pastor prefers and uses the Niv, but many others use the Esv and Nas!