Concerning the impossibility of a 1000 year earthly reign:

[George Antonios]

In Hebrews 7-8, we see a long description of Jesus Christ as our
High Priest.

We are told the role of High Priest is permanent, it lasts forever. We are told the location were He serves as High Priest is at the right hand of the Father’s throne in heaven.

And then we are told that “if He were on the earth, He would not be a priest at all”.

So, if Jesus were to reign on the earth for 1000 years, He would have to renounce His position as our High Priest, which is impossible.

peace to you

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

The reference is clearly to the Levitical priesthood, not the Melchizedekian one.
There is no need for Christ to operate as Levitical priest on earth.
Do you not think that Christ was operating as a priest on earth by interceding for the disciples and us in John 17? By praying for Peter's faith in Luke 22? By declaring lepers whole? Etc. He received incense, on earth, upon his birth, on earth.

 

[canadyjd]

Do you not think that Christ was operating as a priest on earth by interceding for the disciples and us in John 17? By praying for Peter's faith in Luke 22? By declaring lepers whole? Etc. He received incense, on earth, upon his birth, on earth.

No. Hebrews 5:7-10 tells us Christ was given the role of High Priest after His ministry on earth was completed.

peace to you

 

[37818]

Scripture does not say there will be a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

Revelation 20:4, ". . . And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. . . ."

 

[canadyjd]

Revelation 20:4, ". . . And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. . . ."

Right: it says nothing about Christ reigning on the earth for 1000 years.

The context of the passage is those slain martyrs will be rewarded by reigning with Christ for 1000 years in heaven where Jesus is.

Christ reigns in Heaven for all eternity. His High Priesthood is in heaven and is eternal. He stands at the right hand of God the Father.

The passage in Hebrews clearly states if He were on the earth, He would not be a priest. That is a clear statement that the High Priesthood of Jesus is in heaven.

Thanks for the comments

peace to you

 

[tyndale1946]

Revelation 20:4, ". . . And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. . . ."

You can't reign with Christ unless you lost your head and reading some of the comments on here, some of you already qualify... Brother Glen

 

[George Antonios]

No. Hebrews 5:7-10 tells us Christ was given the role of High Priest after His ministry on earth was completed.

peace to you

1) It does not say that.

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

2) What about the rest of the post?

 

[37818]

You can't reign with Christ unless you lost your head and reading some of the comments on here, some of you already qualify... Brother Glen

Without question believers who were killed during the tribulation will reign with Christ during the 1000 years. Revelation. 14:13, ". . . And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. . . ."

 

[37818]

Right: it says nothing about Christ reigning on the earth for 1000 years.

The context of the passage is those slain martyrs will be rewarded by reigning with Christ for 1000 years in heaven where Jesus is.

Christ reigns in Heaven for all eternity. His High Priesthood is in heaven and is eternal. He stands at the right hand of God the Father.

The passage in Hebrews clearly states if He were on the earth, He would not be a priest. That is a clear statement that the High Priesthood of Jesus is in heaven.

Thanks for the comments

peace to you

To you. I understand that 1000 years to be on earth, Revelation 11:15, " .
. . And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. . . ." And begins with Revelation 20:4.

 

[timtofly]

Nothing you posted changes the fact that scripture says if Christ were on earth, He would not be a priest. His role as High Priest is eternal. His reign is eternal. He position is at the right hand of the Father.

Therefore, there can be no 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, because He would have to stop being our High Priest.

peace to you

Except your misinterpretation points to the priesthood of the Law of Moses. That is what coming to earth would not be. Coming to earth will not change the eternal Priesthood. No one after the Cross can be a priest after the Mosaic covenant. Not even a human.


"For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount."

Jesus Christ could never be nor ever was a priest after the Law. Moses, and that Law can only be a shadow. They are not even the real thing. They stopped being the shadow at the Cross.

 

[timtofly]

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Also, Jesus is related to Jeconia through Mary and no descendent of his can ever rule in Jerusalem. Having been cursed by God.

Sounds like you have God all figured out and wrapped up in a nice little package of human theology, that is air tight.

 

[Alcott]

The passage in Hebrews clearly states if He were on the earth, He would not be a priest. That is a clear statement that the High Priesthood of Jesus is in heaven.

And he shall offer all its fat up in smoke on the altar as in the case of the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings. So the priest shall make atonement for him regarding his sin, and he will be forgiven [Leviticus 4:26].

Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins [Hebrews 10:11].

Regarding truth contained in the book of Hebrews, did the levitical sacrifices take away sins or did they not?

Regarding Rahab, mentioned later in the book, what is her eternal fate? She lied about Israelite spies she had hidden, and "But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, ... and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” [Revelation 21:8]

Finally, is there true eternal torment with fire and brimstone for those who take the mark of the beast [Revelation 14:9-11]?

This is just a check to see if you truly and consistently believe scripture, in particular the 3 books referenced.

 

[1689Dave]

Sounds like you have God all figured out and wrapped up in a nice little package of human theology, that is air tight.

Your insults reveal many things about you. Try defending your position with scripture instead.

 

[canadyjd]

1) .......
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

2) What about the rest of the post?

It clearly states that after His suffering, death, resurrection He “became the author of eternal salvation....Called of God a High Priest...”

The two roles are eternally linked by God. He became the author of our salvation. How does He do this? He became our High Priest standing at the right hand of the Father making intercession on behalf of those He saves.

Thanks for the comments

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

To you. I understand that 1000 years to be on earth, Revelation 11:15, " .
. . And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. . . ." And begins with Revelation 20:4.

Right. It says He will reign “forever and ever”!

Does that sound like His reign is limited to 1000 years on earth?

Of course not. It is an eternal reign (forever and ever) in heaven.

Thanks for the comment

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

And he shall offer all its fat up in smoke on the altar as in the case of the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings. So the priest shall make atonement for him regarding his sin, and he will be forgiven [Leviticus 4:26].

Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins [Hebrews 10:11].

Regarding truth contained in the book of Hebrews, did the levitical sacrifices take away sins or did they not?

Regarding Rahab, mentioned later in the book, what is her eternal fate? She lied about Israelite spies she had hidden, and "But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, ... and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” [Revelation 21:8]

Finally, is there true eternal torment with fire and brimstone for those who take the mark of the beast [Revelation 14:9-11]?

This is just a check to see if you truly and consistently believe scripture, in particular the 3 books referenced.

Let’s not derail this thread. Start another thread if you want to debate OT sacrifices, the eternal fate of Rahab, or whether hell is eternal torment.

Thanks for the comment

peace to you

 

[1689Dave]

Jeconiah’s Curse and the Millennium.


The problem; God placed a curse on Jeconiah “Is this man Coniah [called Jechonias in the LXX ] a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” (Jeremiah 22:28–30)

Jesus was a descendant of Jeconiah through Shealtiel and Zerubbabel (Matthew 1:12 or Luke 3:27). Some believe God removed the curse when Jeconiah’s grandson Zerubbabel led Judah. However Zerubbabel did not restore David’s throne. He was "governor of Judah" (Haggai 2:2).

So, if you believe Jesus will one day sit on David’s throne in Jerusalem, have you thought about Jeconiah’s curse? If so, how do you cope with Jeconiah’s curse?

I counter the problem believing Jesus now reigns on David’s Throne at God’s right hand in heavenly Jerusalem above. So the curse does not apply.


Mary's geneology

Luke 3:23-38, on the other hand, seems to record the genealogical line of Mary herself, carried all the way back beyond the time of Abraham to Adam and the commencement of the human race. This seems to be implied by the wording of v.23: “Jesus...being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph.” This “as was supposed” indicates that Jesus was not really the biological son of Joseph, even though this was commonly assumed by the public. It further calls attention to the mother, Mary, who must of necessity have been the sole human parent through whom Jesus could have descended from a line of ancestors. Her genealogy is thereupon listed, starting with Heli, who was actually Joseph’s father-in-law, in contradistinction to Joseph’s own father, Jacob (Matt. 1:16). Mary’s line of descent came through Nathan, a son of Bathsheba (or “Bathshua,” according to 1 Chron. 3:5), the wife of David. Therefore, Jesus was descended from David naturally through Nathan and legally through Solomon.

Gleason L Archer. (n.d.). Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties.

 

[robycop3]

Scripture plainly says Jesus will reign on earth for 1K years:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Remember, this is AFTER He returns.

 

[AustinC]

Scripture plainly says Jesus will reign on earth for 1K years:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Remember, this is AFTER He returns.

Re-read what the verse says.

Jesus reigns forever. The martyrs live and reign with Christ for 1000 years.

 

[1689Dave]

Scripture plainly says Jesus will reign on earth for 1K years:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Remember, this is AFTER He returns.

But....flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. And Jeconiah's curse prevents his offspring, Jesus, from ever ruling in Jerusalem.

 

[canadyjd]

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Jesus Christ could never be nor ever was a priest after the Law. Moses, and that Law can only be a shadow. They are not even the real thing. They stopped being the shadow at the Cross.

The OT priesthood was a shadow of the heavenly High Priesthood of Jesus Christ.

One on earth. The other in heaven. One is temporary. The other is eternal.

Thus, Hebrews states if He (Jesus) were on earth, He would not be a priest.

Why? Because His High Priesthood is in heaven, not on earth.

Therefore, if He were to come to earth for a thousand year reign, He would have to give up His High Priesthood which is in heaven. That is impossible.

Thanks for the comment

peace to you