Featured Where did Lordship Salvation come from?

it needs to be noted concerning LSers. They oppose easy believeism yet promote faith alone.

 

I hope this verse answers your question.
Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
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How long is eternal life? It last for an eternity. King David was a murder read his story and yet he did not go to hell. Paul killed Christians by the dozen , he isn't in hell either. Did these men seek forgiveness I cam't say for sure. How would you know if Hitler didn't ask for forgiveness?. How would you know if he was even saved?

There are a lot of people who doubt and make up scenarios about whether or not a sinner is saved. Not one of us can see any man's heart but God. Being saved means we are no longer under the Law and all my sins past, present, and future, are paid for.

MB

 

I watched this man put down a atheist student by making him look like an idiot on you tube. The young man asked a simple question that most ministers would have used to bring the man to Christ. Ravi was more interested in looking like he is all knowledgeable. Enough said I didn;t like the man.
MB

 

Grace through Faith
MB

 

Faith alone =/= easy believeism

 

Yes, they seem to understand the difference between justification, and sanctification.
They also know what the term easy believism means.

 

MB,

you quote a verse dealing with unconditional election, and perseverance of the saints, interesting.

 

So provide us some scripture (don’t be like Yeshiua1)that shows that James is referring to sanctification and not justification, robot. He specifies ‘justified’, not ‘sanctified’, and the works in the context are the the very same works we’re all gong to be judged by in the Bema Judgement.



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Let's look at James but let him explain it, instead of you;
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?



26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

It's all legalism. If you are born-again you have a new nature that does the right things simply by nature. It's like saying you must act like a Christian to be saved. But God turns some of us into Christians who then naturally do the things Christians do.

 

Lordship Salvation was not an issue to be debated by the Reformers. It helps to understand the theological issues they were dealing with at the time. Easy believism (i.e. Finneyism) was not a thing during the time of Luther and Calvin. Conversion brought with it persecution from Rome in almost every European nation.
@Squire Robertsson is correct. The term Lordship Salvation became a refutation against easy believism. However, the theological underpinning of Lordship Salvation is rooted in scripture. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. The two cannot be bifurcated. It is true that the Christian journey starts with elementary knowledge and progresses to increased knowledge and obedience, but that should never lead to a confused christology.

 

Romans 10:8-13

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.”

It is a rank heresy for anyone to teach that a sinner need not believe in Jesus Christ as BOTH Lord and Saviour. The two go together and cannot be separated. This passage in Romans is very clear that for a sinner to be saved, they MUST acknowledge "the Lord Jesus"; and "believe in their heart" in His Resurrection and that Jesus is Alive. It is also clear, that the sinner must "call upon the Name of Jesus", so that they can get "saved", as He alone is The Saviour. Non-lordship salvation is another "doctrine of demons" from the devil himself!

 

First of all, let's be clear: good works do not bring salvation. 'Lordship Salvation' is not a term used much in the UK, but I'm sure that MacArthur does not mean by it that we are saved by works. rather, works are the evidence that someone is saved at all.
John 14:15; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 4:17-24; Colossians 3:1-11; 1 John 2:3-6, 15-17; 3:3 etc.; Jude 4.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian yet lives consistently in sin is like the people described in 2 Peter 2:22.

 

Another way to look at "Lordship Salvation" is to compare it to Phariseeism. It is all based on hypocrisy. Acting like a Christian when you are not. If you are saved, you don't need an admonition to act like it. You will be doing the right things by nature of the new birth.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

I don't know if this is quite early enough for you. 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith 16.
2. Good works, performed in obedience to God's commandments, are these: the fruits and evidences of a true and living faith (James 2:18-22). By these believers express and show their thankfulness (Psalm 116:12-13),strengthen their assurance (1 John 2:3-5) edify their brethren, adorn the profession of the Gospel (Matthew 5:16), stop the mouths of the adversaries, and glorify God (1 Timothy 6:1; 1 Peter 1:5-11; Philippians 1:11) whose workmanship they are........

3. Their ability to do these good works does not in any way come from themselves, but comes wholly from the Spirit of Christ....... (John 15:4-5).
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David certainly asked for forgiveness: 2 Samuel 12 and Psalm 51. I've not noted anything that clear from Paul (I could've missed it, though). However, when one is on a mission to persecute Christians and then asks, "What would you have me to do, Lord?", that seems to be seeking forgiveness along with direction.

 

I want to address one off target assertion of the Lordship Salvation crowd.

Here is the statement:

I am with those who reject "easybelievism" but I also reject that repentance is an action of God. Rather, repentance must be allowed by God, and this allowance is termed "granted" which is misconstrued to mean given.

Here is link to Dr. MacArthur's actual views concerning "Lordship Salvation" some of which I disagree:
Lordship Salvation | Grace Community Church

 

Doctrinally, Lordship Salvation is the only possible fall-back stance to explain the seeming contradictions between passages that teach eternal security and passages that teach against it, when one does not divide the dispensations. I.e. you either interpret those passages by saying: this passage here teaches eternal security in one dispensation whereas that passage there teaches loss of salvation in another dispensation; or you are forced to adopt the untenable stance that "no born again man would ever continue in unrepentant sin" to explain the passages that teach loss of salvation.

 

I do not think that is accurate all. I do not think those who understand the teaching, but rather they are seeking to obey many NT.verses, such as;
heb12
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

1cor9
23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.