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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Jun 24, 2021.

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  1. By joining a Baptist Church

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  2. By being in a Baptist family

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  3. By agreeing with Baptist Beleifs

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  4. Other answer - please explain

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  1. Salty

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    So what do you think?
     
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    I believe holding to Baptist distinctives makes one a Baptist. This assumes being a member of a Baptist church (with the oridences, autonomy, leadership, ect.).


    B (Biblical Authority): God's Word is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice. (2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, Psalm 12:6-7, 119:128)

    A (Autonomy of the Local Church): The local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the church. The church is autonomous, or self-governing. (Colossians 1:18, Ephesians 3:21, 1 Corinthians 11:3, 12:12)

    P (Priesthood of the Believer): Every believer is a priest of God and may enter into His presence in prayer directly through our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:9, Hebrews 4:14-16, 1 Timothy 2:5)

    T (Two Ordinances): Baptism by immersion for believers and the Lord's Supper. (Mark 16:15-16, Luke 3:7-8, Acts 8:12, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 1 Corinthians 11:2, 23-32)

    I (Individual Soul Liberty): Every person, whether saved or unsaved, has the liberty to choose what he believes about God. (Romans 14:5,12; 2 Corinthians 4:2, Titus 1:9)

    S (Saved, Baptized Church Membership): Every member of a Baptist church must be a born-again baptized believer.

    T (Two Offices): Baptists have maintained only two offices in the local church - Pastor and deacon. (1 Timothy 3:1,10; 1 Peter 5:1,5; )

    S (Separation of Church and State): No church or government should control each other, nor should there be any alliance between them. (Romans 13:1-7, Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 5:29, Proverbs 14:35, 29:2)
     
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  3. Salty

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    So, a person believes the items you listed - BUT you are not a member of a Baptist church,
    are you still a Baptist?
     
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    Think that one is a Baptist who holds to the distinctive Baptist Fundamentals!
     
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    No, not really. It does not matter if someone believes in principles from which he or she is alienated.
     
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    While I can and a do agree with what you said re BAPTIST. I would point out, as the old saying goes "Just because you walk into in a garage does not make you a car" so just because you do not attend a church does not make you a non-baptist. Many of the baptist churches in my area seem to be coming of the rails as far as scripture goes. A number of these young pastor seem to think they have to reinvent the text.
     
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    What aspects of baptist theology bother you?
     
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    No aspect of Baptist theology bothers me. I am a Baptist.

    What aspect of Baptist theology bothers you?
     
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    Believing AND living Baptist convictions make one a Baptist. There are a number of churches out there with "Baptist" on the sign that are mostly disassociated from historic Baptist principles, and many churches out there that do not have "Baptist" on the sign or in the foundational documents that hold to Baptist convictions.

    Just because the cat had a kitten in the oven doesn't make it a biscuit. Just because the dog pooped in the hen house, doesn't make it a chocolate egg.
     
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    By ascribing to the teachings of the New Testament as the sole apostolic authority for a local Christian church in all matters of the faith and its practice.
     
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    Just curious as to what alienating you then?
     
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    I identify as Baptist because I believe the "Baptist distinctives"" to be true.

    1. I belive in biblical authority in all matters of belief and practice. God ordained teachers for congregations, but each generation is tasked with weighing doctrine against the biblical text. Creeds and Confesions may fail, but God's Word will stand.

    2. I believe in the autonomy of the local church. The local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ, the head of the church. All human authority for governing the local church resides within the local church itself. The church is autonomous, or self-governing.

    3. I believe in the "Priesthood of the believers". Every born-again believer has direct access to the throne of God. Churches are "congregational" (NOT elder-led).

    4. I believe two ordinances are necessary - Believers baptism and the Lord's Supper.

    5. I believe in individual soul liberty. Every individual Christian has the liberty to believe, right or wrong, as his own conscience dictates.

    6. I believe in saved and baptized church membership.

    7. I believe in separation of Church and State.

    Why are YOU a Baptist?
     
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    Because I am a member of a Baptist church.

    So the real questions is:

    Why did you choose to join a Baptist church?
     
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    My answer is the inverse of yours.

    I joined a Baptist church because I believe the "Baptist distinctives" are correct and are significant enough to unite (or separate, dependingon how you look at it) over.
     
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    I guess it depends on the church. I have been Baptist all of my saved life. I am a member of a SBC, have preached and taught in SBC churches for a long time. I am ordained and licensed to preach in a Baptist church (a "mainstream" Baptist "denomination")

    I do not think I would fit in well in a Reformed Baptist church or a free-will Baptist church (although I would have no qualms about attending one) but that depends on how they hold secondary to Baptist doctrine. I am a Southern Baptist. So while I would attend (perhaps join) a Reformed or free-will Baptist church, I would not be comfortable preaching or teaching the congregation as I do not hold the additional distinctives they hold.

    I am not sure why you or @Yeshua1 suspect I am alienated from Baptist churches (as this is far from the case).
     
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    Same reasons, and also think closest to what early church held and taught!
     
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    What prevents you being tied into either Reformed or free will baptist church?
     
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    Nothing prevents me from being a member of a Christian church. But since I am not Reformed or Free-Will I would not he comfortable preaching or teaching in those denominations.
     
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    we are one or the other though!
     
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    No. That's bi-polar thinking. There are almost always more than two options, especially in theology.
     
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